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Batman & Robin
1997 · Film · 125 min
Part of Batman Collection
Directed by Joel Schumacher
ActionScience FictionAdventure
Batman and his sidekick Robin attempt to the foil the sinister schemes of a deranged set of new villains, most notably the melancholy Mr. Freeze, who wants to make Gotham City into an arctic region, and the sultry Poison Ivy, a botanical femme fatale. As the Dynamic Duo contend with these bad guys, a third hero, Batgirl, joins the ranks of the city's crime-fighters.
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Oh also, well, "Judge Dredd" was just not a very good movie. Not reprehensibly bad. Nobody involved should be sorry for making it, but not worth the price of a ticket. Swing and a miss.
In contrast "Batman & Robin" is terrible. Clooney said he didn't want friends and family to see it because he is rightfully ashamed to have done it. Sometimes an actor does good work but it's hard to see because the technicians are incompetent and the editor destroys their effort in the cut - however it's clear Clooney was not trying.
Alicia Silverstone has been in utter trash, some of which I have watched because I used to live with a guy who was obsessed with her - but it's notable that even the icky "technically this isn't pornography" stuff she did as a teenager is more competent than "Batman & Robin" for which she was presumably much better paid.
Joel Schumacher can do excellent work so why is "Batman & Robin" so awful? Did the Studio tell him nothing else matters so long as the branding is there because comic book fans will show up anyway? If so maybe it's partly their fault, but a good artist should have more pride in their own work than to do this.
I have more recently (well, this century) gone to a "live MST3K" type event where they screen the original film but talk over it. They warned us that "Batman & Robin" is too awful for this format to save it, but I didn't listen and yeah, long before the closing credits lots of people walked out because they were right and it's unsalvageable.
> Bruce Willis may exist in the Ocean’s universe, but the 1995 film Twelve Monkeys, which co-starred Brad Pitt, does not. Movies like Fight Club, Seven, Batman & Robin, The Perfect Storm, Saving Private Ryan, and The Untouchables can’t exist.
This is horrible logic. Just because the actors may not exist doesn't mean other actors weren't cast for the parts. There is no reason to believe the movies don't exist, just in a different form.
It doesn't hate children. It created content geared towards the most lucrative audience, which skews older, that's all.
Batman in 1989 showed that superhero movies could still be extremely popular & attract an older audience. It also sold so much merchandise-- consumed primarily by younger members of the audience-- that by the time the 4th movie "Batman & Robin" came around merchandise & its design was driving movie creation rather than quality content and the genre went into hiatus for a few years.
When the genre reemerged with the 2002 Spiderman movie and subsequent hits & creation of the MCU, movie makers seemed to realize that they had to appeal to the older audience as well as those on the younger tween+ spectrum, even if it meant giving up ticket sales on for the youngest. And the extreme popularity of the movies made them enough of a cultural phenomenon that they still sell tons of merch to younger kids anyway.