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Deadpool
2016 · Film · 108 min
Part of Deadpool Collection
Directed by Tim Miller
The origin story of former Special Forces operative turned mercenary Wade Wilson, who, after being subjected to a rogue experiment that leaves him with accelerated healing powers, adopts the alter ego Deadpool. Armed with his new abilities and a dark, twisted sense of humor, Deadpool hunts down the man who nearly destroyed his life.
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The bust joke is natural for me when 2 total different species encounter at a more friendly interaction level (after their first interactions).
The humor in this is no way Deadpool level. I'm saying this as a hater of Deadpool because of its depraved jokes. And I just feel lighthearted with the humor in this movie.
This fits exactly your example of seeing the worst reviews and seeing that the review is unreasonable and exaggerated.
Deadpool's humour was violent and crude. I don't remember anything like that at all in Project Hail Mary.
It was a buddy film, and an American one, so had that culture in its humour, sure. But it was light-hearted and quite fun.
> images are commoditized and lose their emotional appeal.
No, ALL CONTENT is asymptotically approaching 0. This includes photos, videos, stories, app features, even code. Code is now worthless. If you want better security from generated code, wait 2 months and it will be better. If you want a photo, you just prompt and it will generate it on the fly.
AI will be generating movies and videos on the fly, either legally or illegally infringing on IP. Do you want a movie where Deadpool fights The Hulk? Easy. And just like how ad technology knows your preferences, each movie will be individually tailored to YOUR liking just so that your engagement will increase. Do you like happy endings? Deadpool and Hulk will join forces and defeat Thanos. Do you prefer dark endings? Deadpool and Hulk fight until they float off into the Sun and get atomized but keep regenerating for eternity.
If you want to see a photo of you and your family from 15 years ago, it will generate slightly better versions of yourself and your wife and maximize how cute your kids look. This is the world we are facing now, where authenticity is meaningless. And while YOU may not prefer it, think about the kids who aren't born yet and will grow up in a world where this exists.
Are the little guys receiving royalties from these movies decades later? I recall instances where actors paid some of the little guys out of their own pocket to keep movies going, Deadpool is an example of this.
So the real question in all of this is, does Deadpool know about this ruling and has he taunted the X-Men that they are in fact not human. That seems like a new storyline for a movie!
To be fair you can make the same criticism of James Bond films or anything similar, with people gunned down wantonly for entertainment. More recently, Deadpool. Personally I'm usually unmoved about gratuitous violence.
It's not theft in any sense of the word. Please stop reporting this misinformation ASAP.
If movie productions were so concerned about profit, maybe they should stop all the Hollywood accounting nonsense.
The industry has just made several films surpassing a billion dollars. The industry is absolute fine. And someone downloading Deadpool isn't stealing or doing any harm to that industry.
It is very sad that this is the state of moviegoing these days. That said I’ve learned to just lean back and forget about it. I’ve missed more Marvel movies than I’ve seen (haven’t seen any of the Avengers movies beyond the first I think) and still enjoyed the recent Deadpool movie by just switching off my brain and enjoying the silliness. Same with the second most recent Thor movie… it’s when these movies get excessively self serious that it all unravels.
does anybody here know a lot about recommendation algorithms? The one I'm interested in seems obvious to me, but it's never implemented so maybe it doesn't work, or it serves outliers and not the mainstream so why bother. The data is there, but I don't get to mine it. (heheh "mine" it)
I don't want to know what's popular, I want to know what other people who share my past tastes are watching currently. Doesn't matter the size of my niche, why can't i find my niche, and be shown my cohort?
I just don't feel it's an impossible task to find, for example, a set of people who enjoyed Deadpool 1, Guardians of the Galaxy 1, but think the entire rest of the superhero cavalcade is utter garbage. ok, I'll allow Kickass also, and a grudging nod to Iron Man 1. (as an illustration, I just searched to look up the name of Iron Man, I could only remember Tony Stark. Top search results were "a fictional character", "played by R Downey Jr", "Marvel cinematic universe"... You see, none of those is Iron Man 1. I don't care about the horde of people who care about a supposed cinematic universe. We (in my cohort) liked the first one, and what we liked about it wasn't continued in the 2nd.
How about preferences that show I like a few early films with say George Clooney, but after that, no. Julia Roberts, same. I remember when Meryl Streep was a new actress, but now she's a red flag. I'm sure my tastes aren't shared by everybody, but I'm also sure, since I can articulate reasons, there must be others who in general share them, people who are willing to watch what's new and trendy in some way, but then not beat the dead horse. Oh, Spielberg, a few winners, but overall "nope nope nope", the way he aims at sentiment is a zero for me.
I originally had this idea back in the 80's when Consumer Reports had their monthly mail-in bingo card for what current movies you liked, then they would tabulate what was popular among their readers. That type of "best of" list is entirely missing co-variance, which I think is where I live.
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Conclusion Movies painting with diamonds is a celebration of cinematic classics, letting fans connect in a deeper way with their favorite characters. Fans are not only creating beautiful artworks by placing diamonds to form images of Hulk, Deadpool, and Dobby, but they are also rediscovering the feelings and memories related with these legendary icons. In a world where films inspire and delight, these diamond paintings serve as gleaming reminders of the stories and characters that have left an unforgettable impact on our hearts.
To me, it's not about the fact they can be gamed but even the premise is misguided. Unless I trust a particular critic because "I like what they like", then it is like asking everyone what political party they like or which make of car they prefer.
Deadpool scored 85% on rotton tomatoes and that makes sense, it was a bit different than the normal "Marvel" films and was well acted but it is totally not something I would enjoy.
Napolean Dynamite scored 32% and strictly speaking, it was a very oddball film. I really enjoyed it and there are more than enough quotes in it to still make me laugh over 10 years later.
The idea that crowd-sourcing reviews leads to some kind of useful truth is marginal at best but downright wrong.
Seriously, does Ryan need to do anymore Deadpool movies after this? That has to be chump change compared to what he is getting here (even with his 25% stake)
Lets see... the most recent comedy movies I've seen...
Knives Out (2019) was probably the one I enjoyed the most.
JoJo Rabbit was trying too hard IMO, but I still smiled/laughed throughout it. WW2 is kinda overdone at this point (though serious films like Downfall are worth revisiting)
Free Guy was fine? Apparently "The Suicide Squad" also counts as a comedy. I guess Deadpool and Deadpool 2 were also fine. Maybe other people are tired of comicbook / superhero movies, but really I'm personally only tired of the "Marvel Formula" (and Deadpool / The Suicide Squad strays pretty heavily from the formula). Going back a bit further is "Jumanji"...
There's a lot of flicks / comedy films out there. Nothing is quite as good as Airplane but I'd say Knives Out is on-par, maybe even better than Clue (1985).
I don't really like the "Despicable Me" series, but my nieces really wanted to watch "Minions: Rise of Gru" and I actually enjoyed that one. (My nieces love this series, so I can say that I've watched all of it and its mostly trash. But Rise of Gru actually got me to laugh)
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I'm no critic. I enjoy just a basic flick now and then. Honestly, I'd rewatch "Knives Out" more than any Adam Sandler movie from the 90s or even Austin Powers. 90s era comedy just didn't mesh well with me, despite me growing up at that time. I do have a soft spot for the dry 80s stuff with Leslie Nielsen, and I guess I really liked Jackie Chan's action/comedies through the 90s and 00s.
I dunno, if I think "90s comedy I enjoyed", I think of Men in Black or Aladdin? Nothing in the list that this author wrote.
There are no movies from the 2010s that made it into imdb.com/list/ls000551766/ top 100 all time comedies.
I noticed this pattern when watching deadpool; or various ryan reynolds. Hilarious and modern. Yet, bucking a trend. I expect if Ryan operated in the 1990s he'd be an ultra super star. He understands the role of a jester. So he gets to continue operating.
> A new age of sanctimony: feminisation and Trump
This comedy drought has nothing to do with trump. trump is a symptom just as the death of comedy is a symptom.
It's quite obvious the inflection point is 2009. Obama killed comedy, though not literally himself. He represents what killed comedy. "first black president" seems to have socially broken the USA. The relationship of race, politics, and comedy is well understood. It's crazy how many of the top comedians are black. Hence, comedy = dead.
>Maybe I’m just an old man and wow what a coincidence comedy died after I graduated from university when I had loads of time to enjoy movies. Gee whizz, my nostalgic youth just happens to coincide with the Golden Age in everything. Am I just an old man yelling at clouds?
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charts-americas-political-divide-1994-2017/
Put your finger on 'median republican' in 1994. The big divide started around 2009. The death of comedy is political. Which is well understood, comedians vs political correctness has been around since forever.
>And now this. Drooling, limp regime propaganda:
Yes Colbert peaked you guess it, around 2009 as well. He clearly took the money and became a good jester obeying the regime.
The important thing to note is that we haven't changed. What exactly is Colbert? He's a court jester. In 2009 the court jesters were shutdown.
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls052391452/
Kevin hart is another obvious trend bucker. If he and ryan got together it'd be like none else. Whereas a brilliant dude like martin lawrence died with comedy, but still trying.
Dave Chappelle is the lightning rod. His ability to make jokes about the situation and not get cancelled in addition to racial unrest is what is going to help heal this wound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932022_United_States_racial_unrest
>Tina Fey seemed to have birthed a new era of female-led comedies with her excellent 30 Rock (2006 – 2013). The show belongs to the Before Times. Not only temporally (began pre-Obama, ended in 2013), but culturally: it could not be made today.
This isn't a 'women arent funny' thing. Instead it needs to be measured relative to the politics. Relative to 'intersectionality' or 'social justice'. Women were briefly the only jesters who were still allowed to joke. That got shut down.
I don't think it's much of a cycle, there has been a constant undercurrent of "mature" cynical superhero comics and movies for decades now. In the '00s we had the Christian Bale Batman movies, and adaptations of V for Vendetta and Watchmen. In the '10s we had Deadpool and the Zack Snyder DC movies with their unprecedented cynical take on Superman. It all continues today with Venom and Batman spinoffs.
> This movie had to be a troll.
Not so much a "troll", but there's a scene in the first act that literally lays out the entire premise of the production and the creator's feelings about feeling forced to do it.
There are "lampshade hanging" fourth-wall breaks in the production meeting scenes that make Deadpool look conservative.
The Wachowskis didn't want to do more Matrix. Warner were going to do more Matrix regardless, so Lana Wachowski decided to do it herself and use it to deconstruct both their own movies and reboot/nostalgia cinema in general (looking at you Force Awakens, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, Space Jam et al)
I would comment as follows.
Iron Man - sort novel for setting marvel tone but mostly banal action movie
Iron Man 2 - banal action movie
Thor - banal action movie
Captain America: The First Avenger - particularly banal action movie
Marvel's The Avengers - banal action movie
Iron Man 3 - banal action movie, sort of interesting to see protagonist suffering PTSD anxiety from being a superhero
Thor: The Dark World - banal action movie
Captain America: The Winter Soldier - first interesting take. Patriotism is not the same as government obedience. Real fight choreography approaching a soft john wick.
Guardians of the Galaxy - Early rock and roll aesthetic pretty interesting
Avengers: Age of Ultron - banal action movie, perhaps mcu lowpoint
Ant-Man - superhero heist movie, literally deconstructs larger than life superhero tropes. I think thumbs up
Captain America: Civil War - by this point doing the mcu's own thing, which is novel, but probably not interesting outside
Doctor Strange - banal action movie
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - aesthetic still feels mostly fresh.
Spider-Man: Homecoming - super down to earth high school drama, frustrated working class villains suffering the fallout of superheroes, seems interesting to me
Thor: Ragnarok - great film, very genre savvy. Rare achievement to make godly strength brutes feel really engaging to watch. Taika Waititi is a genius.
Black Panther - pretty good. interesting aesthetic. directly addressing racial tensions.
Avengers: Infinity War & Endgame - Mostly fan service and not too surprising but honestly still novel.
Ant-Man and the Wasp - Ehhh I really don't remember
Captain Marvel - Beginning had some great hard sci fi imo. Thought the ending message of newly apotheosizied female not needing to prove herself to her evil male mentor was a solid take, whereas a classic "mano a mano" kind of showdown would be so typical of the genre
Spider-Man: Far From Home - Villain emphasizing themes of the power of deceptive media? heck yeah.
Wandavision - Really bizarre and interesting start. Unfortunately non-self-aware conclusion
Falcon and Winter Soldier - Active discussions of race and the problematic nature of superheroes being supremacists? Very good.
Loki - kind of a super cliche topic (time cops) that is also somehow really rare? eh.
honorable mentions for Logan and Deadpool for being just great; and the Amazing Spiderman for its excellent aesthetics despite terrible writing.
CGI is much more widely used in film than I think you think it is. Half the distance/crowd shots in LotR nearly 20 years ago now were CGI, from what I remember, and e.g. the following scenes of the car sequence in Deadpool use CG humans in far more places than I’d guessed from having watched the film: https://youtu.be/C8D_o8bOeOc
The cinematics in videogames likewise can be pretty convincing, even when the gameplay itself isn’t so much.
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And then there’s AI-generated faces like these: https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/
I thought Deadpool was supposed to be the beginning of the end for the superhero movie?
My pet peeve is action movies that establish an emotional connection between the hero and the damsel with a obligatory sex scene (often a one night stand)... After which she is put into peril.
It's a lazy way to up the emotional connection between the two characters.
If I recall, more recent movies like Deadpool actually begin to work against it by the hero and damsel being in a long term relationship.
Anecdotes about what non-programmers believe aren't very applicable to Stack Overflow's survey of programmers. Still though, you end up with a weird conclusion where you believe "hype" drives the Loved statistic (one based on people's real experience) but not so much the Wanted statistic (based on what they heard) when by definition that isn't how hype works.
Think about the 2016 movie "Deadpool". Deadpool is a one joke character. There are no major Marvel characters in the movie, the stakes are low, there is no connection to the larger Marvel Cinematic Universe storyline. Reynolds has played this exact character before, in a movie which nobody liked. There was inevitable fan hype before it came out, "the merc with a mouth" sells comics and those fans are going to see the movie whatever, but fans don't know anything right? But, both critics and audiences seem to have liked this movie, a lot more than its studio expected. It made a lot of money and got pretty great reviews from most quarters. Neither of those things is hype, that's called success.
The Loved result looks exactly like what I see what I talk to people about Rust. Those who haven't heard of it of course aren't looking to write Rust, for those who've only heard of it, it's on their "things to check out" list with Go, and maybe Swift but it doesn't jump out at them. But among those who've written Rust you see a spike of enthusiasm, "Hey this is really good".
When I learned Go, I filed the acquired skills away. "This may be useful in some future scenario, but I have meanwhile ceased to be employed writing TLS bit-banging code for which I thought Go would be the best option, so, never mind now"
But when I learned Rust the first thought was "I should write more Rust". I immediately rewrote the smallest interesting C project I ever published and pushed that to GitHub. Then I wrote a bunch of code to check some of my intuitions about Rust's safety when used by people who are unreasonable (misfortunate, a collection of perverse implementations of safe Rust traits). Then I started writing a triplestore, which I'd done twice before in C -- a friend and colleague left programming and went into management after his third one, so cross fingers that doesn't happen to me.
What a bad post.
>1. TV and Film have switched spots.
There's a lot more than Marvel going on today no matter what the author implies here.
>2. Self-Censorship. Comedy was big in the early 2000s.
Claiming that there have been no comedies since 2012 is just ridicilous and pointing at Deadpool as the only potential counter-example just shows how little the author has explored beyond blockbusters.
> 3. Most Stories are the Same. > 4. You Learn the Tricks.
This is mostly the same point and if the author didn't just watch the biggest blockbusters he'd have found how much pleasure you can get at that point by going for deconstructions, Meta, movies who play with, ignore or go against the tropes etc.
>Passive Media Consumption is Fundamentally Bad.
Fundamentally? He spent 2-3 hours on movies every 5 days, I doubt he doesnt spend as much time on something that he'd deem empty calories now, too.
At any rate, you've hardly exhausted that much after 819 movies even after including those he'd seen before when he was watching less.
I remember reading once about Bunuel having a small room with couch and a giant Miro painting in his apartment. Bunuel would take a drink and sit on that couch and look at that Miro for a couple hours, his mind doing the work. It is common to read in XIXth century literature (Dostoevsky comes to mind) how even characters portrayed as somewhat shallow would spend an hour or two in front of some famous (as in 'in vogue') Old Master's painting, constructing the internal dialogue with the creator.
The piece in this text about passive consumption of media being bad for the... soul(?) reads like something from a person who failed to perform the mental work necessary to perceive "passive consumption" as something active, inspiring and enriching.
After seeing Superbad or Deadpool (that in the context of cinema possess the cultural significance of screensavers) used as a reference with a mention of Eyes Wide Shut as a peak viewership effort, it is really upsetting to see piece this get traction on Hackernews.
Coming across this text after a randomly encountered masterpiece that is "Riders of Justice" is hilarious and a bit sad.
I think it's a whole genre that was finally allowed into mainstream. For a long time we had very black/white view on the superheroes in movies. Only relatively recently Batman got a bit interesting, Star Wars had someone turn "bad", Ironman was a good jerk, Starlord... was a good jerk, Loki and Deadpool are pretty chaotic, now Sandman is soon coming out. We have a number of "that bad character had reasons" movies like Cruella.
Those existed for ages in comic books, but I don't think mainstream / Disney would touch them.
Bingo! Shooting extra scenes and more CGI for the Chinese audience is way more expensive than just settling the for the LCD of safely not offending people. I also think that's why movies like Deadpool do so well. It's a good movie but it also attracts an audience that is starving for non PG13 movies.
I feel like this article pretended like the excellent love, romance and sex scenes in the first Deadpool movie weren't there.
While I get what you’re saying and agree with you overall, it’s still not worth it to me. I’ll never forget when I went to see Deadpool. During the open credits (which has smart ass titles for the people like “An Evil British Bad Guy”), the lady next to me made sure to read every title aloud followed by a “AH HA HA AH HA HA AH HA HA.” It was obnoxious and kind of ruined the beginning portion of the movie as I waited for her next annoying action.
What I've wanted most that I haven't seen yet is different versions of movies for different age-groups.
Like, you could have a Deadpool movie on Netflix that played either a PG-13 or NC-17 version depending on your account settings.
Basically make clearplay.com obsolete.
As I said, the write up was quite interesting, so don’t take it the wrong way! A long read - including the journey taken to get there - can be educational itself (including wrong turns, proof of concepts etc).
The only reason I posted the tweet was because the lede was well and truly buried at the end of the article, and you may have lost some readers’ interest by the time they get there.
You could have started with something like “This is how I managed to post a self referential tweet [link]” which would both bring it up front and centre, as a means to entice readers to find out more.
Sort of like how some TV episodes begin with “[record scratch] You may wonder how I ended up here...” – deadpool is a movie that begins in that way, for example.
For really long posts you might want to have a kind of table of contents that sets up the structure which you can link to parts.
Anyway, don’t take my abbreviated summary as negative; I enjoyed it.
>What does "cell regeneration" actually mean? And how does lack of oxigen trigger this process?
This was detailed in the first Deadpool movie...
The Deadpool trailers were better than the movie.
I did do classical studies, and are not super hero films about what it means to be human.
And in terms of filth (your bias is showing) presumably that makes deadpool a satyr play.
The Hollywood ending defines them and probably always has, so far from recent. It's been a standard for everyone to take the piss out of as long as I've known of movies!
It's one reason I miss a healthy British film industry - sure those mostly ended happily, but rarely so cheesy, except some from the 1940s. Yet there was a decent proportion of surprise unhappy, cynical, tired and non-endings too. A twist would sometimes be something you actually didn't see coming, rather than a "surprise" set up from the start and regularly telegraphed like a five year old keeping a secret. :)
It's not that I dislike superheroes. Well, didn't used to. The whole Marvel universe thing started off well enough. I enjoyed Wolverine, Iron Man, Deadpool 1 plenty, and some others. I really like roast lamb and mint, but getting it for 2 in 3 meals would cure me by boredom within weeks. Maybe it's just too large a proportion of the canon. Except it infects all genres... Wolf of Wall Street? Great Gatsby? Chernobyl? Superhero movies - in style, in script, in camera work, and in tropes used. Now that's putting lamb and mint in with my choc cake and just spoiling every meal.
Chernobyl was the surprise disappointment. It didn't need to deviate so far from reality - the affected were dangerously radioactive too? Not in our universe's physics. Nor be quite so McCarthy child's comic book (and wildly inaccurate) in representing the Soviets. That kind-of suited Stranger Things, though even there it was rather overblown, or Bruce Willis' Red, but not here. Legasov was the superhero - except he didn't actually tear down the whole Soviet system in court, nor get arrested by the KGB after the show trial. The plant manager (I forget the name) was the absurdist villain, missing only a white cat. Do as I say or I will throw you into the reactor Mr Stark. Oh wait, that was Serbina in the helicopter.
Chernobyl was clearly set in a comic book universe. It would still have been bloody good, and well made without any of that bullshit. The attention to scenic correctness and actors resembling the real people was remarkable. Spoiling the plot for a ha'p'orth of reality then.
Suffice to say, I don't think we're going to agree, but it's been a fun back and forth. :)
Originality? Hah! Even remaking Frankenstein every 20 years or so brought a new take to it, whether Boris Karloff, Bela Lugosi or Robert de Nero, they all brought something new.
More than any point I can remember before Hollywood now turn every movie and remake into the exact same movie. There was always some degree of fashion, but there's no contrast any more - it's all highlight, so it drags and drags by being boring and samey (but loud). Highlight is now just the dull background. The loudness wars, movie edition.
Doesn't matter what it is, a current film (or Netflix high budget, Game of Thrones etc) will have:
+ An absurdly overblown inspirational speech inspiring the troops (or children, or escapees, or office colleagues)! This will take 5-10 ear-bleeding, cringing minutes. If unlucky, you'll get two or three of these in one show!
+ An absurdly artificial, but highly 3D friendly chase scene with no production value other than hype. This will take 5-15 minutes. It stopped being interesting after Blues Brothers' piss take of chase scenes!
+ Ditto, ditto fight scene. Super slow motion. I always think of Adam West's TV Batman, complete with music - Zap! Pow! OWWW! Biff! 300 enemies die, town levelled, 342,000 rounds of ammunition spent, hero hasn't broken sweat. Just about the only recent exceptions I can think of are Deadpool and Sin City. Damn, the sequels were disappointing.
+ Ditto, ditto villain's death or capture.
I wait for them to land on Netflix, then go make tea, tidy the kitchen or watch some paint dry in all those "highlights". Independents with next to no budget can still do original though.
I'd probably recommend the initial Guardians of the Galaxy although I almost feel that's a cheat because it's not really a superhero film in the usual vein. Same with Deadpool.
Iron Man is probably as good a choice as any for a standalone Marvel film.
One problem is that the template for a modern big budget action film, which includes all the superhero films, weighs things down with so many explosions and special effects and just non-stop action sequences that they're all a bit exhausting and tend to overwhelm any humor or character interactions on the screen.
Indications to shareholders are that Disney expects to make Hulu an international brand.
Also, Disney seems to have renewed Hulu's exclusive contracts for Cloak & Dagger and The Runaways, so it sounds like Disney is very prepared to take a "split" approach to Marvel with Hulu being home to an interesting subset of Marvel properties. It does sound like R-rated films like Deadpool will be on Hulu rather than Disney+, at least based on conjecture so far.
(I also wouldn't be surprised if all of the Fox X-Men stuff ended up at Hulu rather than Disney+, rather than confuse young fans of the current MCU. It may be Disney makes the dividing line be the "Marvel Studios" brand, of which the Fox films were not. But of course that remains to be seen.)
PG-13 would mean leaving out Marvel films like Deadpool though. Are they willing to leave out content in order to stay at PG-13?
Hulu is also only a US domestic service. Disney surely wants to sell subscriptions to its more mature material worldwide, just like Disney+.
Even deadpool? I'm getting marvel/dc fatigue as well, but damn I can't get enough Deadpool -- fucking hilarious.
As far as depth, I can't think of a Netflix film I really remember as standing out, now Serials --I can name a bunch: The OA, Stranger Things, Haunting of Hill House, etc -- they may not have found a groove yet w/ movies but they sure have w/ original series -- though they did hit a few snags too, their Marvel world sort of fell apart, and some characters were good, some totally were lame (Iron fist esp.).
In case people don't realize, the linked site has one blog post per day going back the past ~2 weeks all about this protest. Some choice excerpts:
> I am sure in the future Mr Bezos will be placed in one line with Adolf Hitler as an example of genocide.
> There are 2 most difficult parts in the rally:
> - to get courage to start
> - to make a banner
> Courage is easier. Few YouTube videos about Martin Luther King, AC/DC song "Thunderstruck" and I am ready to fight.
> To be honest, in the morning fear of public shame almost caused symptoms of bed wetting.
> But Deadpool told me how to manage this fear. [embedded youtube video from the deadpool movie here]
> They can argue citing last words: Once a decision is determined, they commit wholly. Why didn't I commit? I ask: decision taken by whom? If my manager and his managers all the way till Bezos support oppression, should I respect their opinion?
> Then the only authority here is God. I say: Once a decision is determined BY GOD, I commit wholly. But God didn't ask me to stop protesting yet.
> Thus, most of NYT Amazon examples are really cruel and inhuman. Employees are punished because their parents are dying, their children are disabled etc. I hear shaking Hitler in his coffin. These are not single examples of "bad" managers. This is a company culture. Official company policies support the CULTURE worse than genocide. During the genocide, Jews were not treated in that way.
> If I don't find printer today, tomorrow nobody will know about horrors of Mr Bezos.
> How can I do leafleting without printer?
> Where are all these librarians?!!!!!!
> Btw - got to library. The one near of UW was open even during the "storm"... How can you call this nice Christmas snow a "storm"? I thought the storm is when Dorothy flies in her house through the sky... In Russia we have such storm 9 months a year with a temperature of -22 F.
> Anyway I printed almost 300 sheets of dirt about Amazon. Tomorrow 300 Amazonians will know the True. Jeff, I am coming.
> I was thinking I am afraid of people. But then I realized: in fact people are afraid of me. Now I feel I am more powerful and more free than anybody else. Amazon employees are restricted in their freedoms: they are forced to spend most time of their lives to do the work they hate. They are restricted to speak.
> I am free to speak and Jeff Bezos with all his billions can't close my mouth and can't prevent me from walking on the street with my banner.
> I like that. Like a student who lost virginity. I mean, well, you know.
> But today it will be incredible day. I am going to Whole foods store at Denny way. If Spheres s a heart of Amazon, Whole foods is its stomach. This store is always full of people and engineers. God bless me.
Before the outrage machine gets going, probably worth reading that and asking how reliable of a narrator this is.
Deadpool is part of the X-Men franchise that 20th Century Fox has movie rights to produce. They put the MARVEL logo and appropriate Disney credit in the credits, but that's as far as it goes... it isn't produced by Disney.
Even Disney has Marvel with R-rated movies like Deadpool franchise etc.
If I created a site where people could create their own groups and upload files such as this, and then ignored that people were uploading movies like Deadpool, I would be chased by the authorities.
Facebook allowed more than 6 million downloads of what must have been quite a large file without doing anything about it.
Why is Facebook seemingly immune to prosecution?
The cynic in me thinks it could be somehow related to the fact that facebook would actually have the means to fight such a case.
Comcast just wants to be hated more by consumers... I mean Disney owns Marvel and as fan they need to control/movie rights to X-men, Deadpool, etc. I’d love to see a Wolverine vs. Hulk type of movie.
Being good is evidently boring...
I added a few examples in another comment. Even Rambo sacrificed his own safety and freedom to help rescue POWs.
Modern day heroes are all a bunch of whining self-centered children. Just go watch any super hero movie today for a good example of that.
It's almost a badge of honor to be morally ambiguous. Compare a list of protaganists, how many are anti-heros? Do we even have any real good guys in movies and tv these days? Even Superman has been turned into a murderer for this generation.
A few examples from popular TV:
Walking Dead: everyone is a murderer. Murder is justified consistently.
Billions: It's hard to know who to root for, they are all rotten. The righteous people are the "bad guys"
Scrubs: All the characters are morally bankrupt (compared to 30 years before it's time)
Ironman: A selfish rich asshole.
Batman: (ok, he was always an anti-hero from day 1)
Deadpool: Do I need to explain this one?
Wicked: A play about how the evil witch is misunderstood.
The Shield, The Wire, modern Star Trek vs old Star Trek, the list is too long...
There has always been corruptions, lack of morals. That's not my issue, it's that today, there simply isn't even close to a minority of actual real main protagonists that are selfless.
I think people find good people trying to do what is right just boring these days.
/rant
The category you land in is "Hot" which represents items that are new and popular. They generally end up being movies/tv series that are soon to be released.
If watch enough or click "Browse", you can start watching things based on what VOD you have (Netflix, Hulu, etc), what genre you're interested in, general rating, and more.
We thought that new-comers to the site would be more interested in seeing a trailer for Venom, Avengers, or Deadpool than seeing a trailer for Jaws or Scarface.
You can definitely browse the VOD, newly added, genres, etc to find something for right now at home... but you can also learn what's coming out, what's out now, and what was recently released (soon to be on DVD).
Most comments here just seem to generally crap on all video game movies to date (correct) and surmise that it's a losing concept (wrong).
Movies afraid to deviate away from source material I don't think applies to the problem. I've probably seen most video game movies (even the cringe-worthy Uwe Boll ones) and I'd say the overwhelming problem is no one on set even bothering to look at the source material, or understanding what they're trying to do.
Someone mentioned Edge of Tomorrow, which never was a game. It was based on a very light-sci-fi japanese novel, in turn inspired by a player's forum account of restarting a game over and over in order to incrementally learn enough to finish it.
But it doesn't really matter whether Edge of Tomorrow was or was not based on a video game. The fact that it works as a movie and you can think about it in terms of a video game proves that there's no issue with making a video game movie.
The problem with Hollywood sometimes or often putting out crap is a Hollywood problem, not a medium or genre problem.
Think of a movie you thought had all potential to be good, but turned out bad, and then google the backstory on its production. I'll put $10 on saying that it most likely suffered from "too many chefs"/creation by committee, and focus-grouping it to death, instead of trusting the vision of the creator(s), whether that be screenwriter, director or other.
This is obviously subjective, but why is the best Marvel movies Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant-Man, Deadpool and Logan?
For example, James Mangold did both The Wolverine and Logan, what changed between them?
> Where is my equal representation, as, say, a first generation Austrian Jewish immigrant with an anxiety disorder?
I think that's Peter Parker a.k.a Spiderman, the nebbish boy living in a multi-generational Brooklyn walk-up, with old-world grandparents.
If we're going to keep making super hero movies (which I couldn't care less about) it seems like we have to keep playing and defying the genres expectations: Spiderman, one of the first, transforms the intellectual into a man of action. Two years ago, Ryan Reynolds transformed the mask crime fighter (Deadpool) from an all-too-serious stoic into a sloppy knucklehead. And now Black Panther transforms the soulful and dirt poor African American into a royal aristocrat and scientist.
I largely agree with your final paragraph. But I think this cultural issue is going to play out like a pendulum where Hollywood is going to make ten more Black Panthers until everyone is completely sick of it, the eleventh movie tanks, and then nobody can make produce even a great Black Panther-esque movie for several years following it.
Modern color treatment in film totally drives me crazy, independent of what it does to CGI.
It seems like every film coming out of Hollywood these days is processed exactly the same way:
* Crank down the low end so half the frame is solid inky black.
* Pick one or two key colors, and jack up their saturation.
* Desaturate everything else.
In other words, make the entire movie look like an over-dramatic poster for it. Throw any sense of naturalism or unique look out the door. Once you notice it, you see it everywhere. Here's the top live action movies of 2016:
Rogue One
Cyan and olive: http://www.ramascreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Rogue-One-A-Star-Wars-Story15.jpg
Captain America: Civil War
Yellow and red: http://cdn3-www.superherohype.com/assets/uploads/gallery/civil-war-trailer-2-screenshots/cwttss03.jpg
Why they felt the need to make Cap's lip rosy red is beyond me. Even better is this shot:
http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Captain-America-Civil-War-cast-photo-Renner-Johansson-Evans-Sebastian-Stan.jpg
This is a daylight shot. Look at how the characters are all squinting. Look at the big white fluffly clouds that should be diffusing the light and softening shadows. And yet, magically, all of the shadows are jet black and almost all of the color is gone.
The Jungle Book
Green and red (to draw attention to Mowgli):
https://www.moviedeskback.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/The_Jungle_Book_HD_Screencaps-23.png
Deadpool
Another daylight shot with nonsensical shading:
http://turntherightcorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Deadpool-Movie-Screenshot-Brianna-Hildebrand-Negasonic-Teenage-Warhead-Texting.jpg
The light is clearly diffuse, if you look at the shadows on the ground, and yet there is this deep black everywhere. Deadpool took the look further by only picking one color (red, Deadpool's outfit color) for the entire film.
Lest you think this is just an issue with superhero movies, let's ignore those and look at the other top non-superhero movies of 2016:
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
More of the same:
http://harrypotterfanzone.com/wp-content/2016/09/fantastic-beasts-trailer-screenshot75.png
It also suffers strongly from the "It's a period movie so we're going to sepia tone everything so hard it looks like you're watching the movie through an aquarium full of pee" effect.
Hidden Figures
https://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/hiddenfigures.jpg
More of the period movie sepia along with an improbably jacked up complementary cyan.
Star Trek Beyond
If the past is warm, the future must be cool:
http://www.ramascreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Star-Trek-Beyond2.jpg
Blacks, grays and neon cyan, just like Rogue One. Look how unnatural his skin tone is! They wanted to jack up yellow to complement their primary blue so much that the poor dude has jaundice:
http://cdn.wegotthiscovered.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/star-trek-beyond-trailer-cover.jpg
La La Land
I'll give this one some credit for varying it up a bit. Also, dramatic spotlit stage lighting is a logical part of the movie's look. But it's still prey to the same cliched look in places:
http://henrymollman.com/content/images/2017/01/Screenshot-from-2017-01-18-22-36-49-1.png
Ghostbusters
Ectoplasm green and spooky violet were the key colors for the whole film. Secondary colors tend to come across as magical or eerie to viewers since they're different from the safe and familiary primary colors. Of course, jacking up magenta doesn't do flattering things to skin:
http://www.ramascreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Ghostbusters2.jpg
Also, what color is Melissa McCarthy's coat? Is it actually black? Who fucking knows.
Central Intelligence
The traditional comedy look is brightly-lit and saturated, so Central Intelligence didn't fare quite as poorly as the above. Whenever they had a chance to dim the lights, though, they revert to the same cliched look as well:
https://i2.wp.com/doblu.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/centralintelligence2944.jpg
The Legend of Tarzan
http://images3.static-bluray.com/reviews/14209_5.jpg
Jesus, we get it, colorist. They're in the wet jungle. We don't need to be physically assaulted with the colors blue and green to figure that out.
...You get the idea.
Go back and watch a movie from before 2000 and you'll quickly realize how much more pleasant to look at most of them where, and how much more variety there was in look. Compare Alien to The Graduate. But it seems like ever since the rise of digital coloring and superhero movies, Hollywood has decided every single fucking movie needs to look like a comic book page, whether it needs it or not.
One recent movie I really liked that bucked this trend was Her. It was heavily colorized, but in a way that stood out. In shots like these, even though there's a strong color cast and a lot of dark, there's still always some color and detail in the shadows:
https://i1.wp.com/turntherightcorner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Her-Movie-2013-Screenshot-Theodore-Apartment.jpg
https://3kpnuxym9k04c8ilz2quku1czd-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/her-screenshot-14.jpg
I seriously hope Disney allows the Fox brand to exist for more mature/darker properties. It would be fatiguing to keep seeing PG-13 MCU movies while Deadpool rots on the vine.
Logan, guardians of the galaxy and Deadpool fairly soundly proved that unsafe movies can be popular. But at Disney it's about maximizing profits. If you can get all of the family to go see a movie rather than just anyone over 16, you're making more money.
Besides this ham, evidently Chinese demand has been blamed for the global shortage of avocados [0] and the lack of butter in France [1]. I've personally most noticed the effect when it comes to wide-release movies, in which the heroes manage to find some reason to end up for a brief scene in China, or to use Chinese brand products -- Civil War, Transformers, and Robocop come to mind. There's also the suspicion that American movies have had to be more generic in their themes and dialog to be easier to translate/localize for the Chinese. Ghostbusters and Deadpool were not eligible for China's market because of their supernatural and otherwise offensive content, so it's not hard to believe that moviemakers will have to work harder to justify such content [2].
As an American, seeing these examples is still kind of amusing to me in a karmic way. I assume whatever annoyance or alienation I feel is just a small bit of how the rest of the world has felt the past 50 years, having to regularly adapt to and adopt strange influences and demands because they were popular in America (Sorry about "Jersey Shore", high fructose corn syrup, the backlash against MSG, and the cocaine trade).
[0] https://phys.org/news/2017-05-china-blame-global-avocado-shortage.html
[1] http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/09/news/economy/butter-shortage-europe/index.html
[2] https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/08/did-you-catch-the-ways-hollywood-pandered-to-china-this-year
I see perhaps 1.5 movies per year, mostly because the value proposition is not good.
To see a single movie in the non-shitty cinema, with a drink and popcorn will run me up about $35AU. I still have to watch 20 minutes worth of ads at the beginning too, so we'll boost that up to $40AU for wasting my time and brainpower. That gets me about 2hrs entertainment.
Why would I do that when I can pirate your movie in a few months and watch it at home, infinitely cheaper? Only the rare exceptional movie is actually worth the "cinematic experience" (ie. Dunkirk). Something like Guardians of the Galaxy or Deadpool is perfectly fine watching on my TV and Soundbar.
You can skip the ads and tell people off for talking during the movie in your own home too.
Consider 8 had a $306,000,000 budget, 9 had a $200,000,000 budget. I have no problem saying it was profitable, but so was The Land Before Time 9. When a movie pulls in ~1/2 has much as the previous film it's a sign.
http://www.the-numbers.com/market/2016/top-grossing-movies
Just looking domestically we have Finding Dory (squeal), Rogue One (franchise), Captain America: Civil War (squeal), The Secret Life of Pets (kids movie), The Jungle Book (kids movie), Deadpool (franchise), Zootopia (kids movie), Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (franchise), Suicide Squad (franchise), Doctor Strange (franchise), Moana (kids movie) etc. Down at #14 The Revenant was at least nominally an original movie, though very similar to several other films.
I don't think any of these where bad for what they where, but there was nothing new for the 14-40 group. 2015 had #6 American Sniper, #9 The Martian, but was again mostly rehashed movies until #17.
>So to see people say "fuck <the year in which my son was born>" over B-list celebrities, yes, it can be a bit of a problem.
Because it's all about you? People who say that don't know whether your son was born, and could not care less.
>Where were all these not-Star-Wars Carrie Fisher fans before she died? Where were these George Michael fans before he died?
Buying millions of CDs for decades and filling in stadiums?
Heck, Wham! are even presented as the "greatest band ever" in Deadpool, a 2016 movie.
Ofcourse. From the Deadpool movie, I remember now. Thanks :)
The problem with sequels in games this good is that the game is so much better than anything else when it is released, that a sequel can't be anything other than an incremental update, and thus feels lackluster.
The same thing will happen with the Deadpool movie sequel. The first movie was innovative in that it was the first mainstream movie to break the fourth wall, have tons of R-rated jokes, etc, but you can only do that once.
>Men were tanking the ratings of shows aimed at women.
Yes. and Im one of those men. Maybe, just maybe STOP marketing those 'women shows' to men?
Remember recent Deadpool marketing campaign around Valentines Day painting it as a romantic comedy? This is what most 'movies and shows aimed at women' do, because they just cant let of the male market $$. "Hey go watch this cool new SciFi movie" never mentions its a Urban fantasy romance novel with 70% screen time taken by woman protagonist crying on someones shoulder.
Remember how Occupy America didn't have an easily articulated set of politics? It was mostly an expression of anger at the current state of things? I think this is something similar, an acknowledgement that things are fucked up but no knowledge of where to go from that statement.
That seems really similar to this. I sympathize with what I'm reading here. Trigger warnings, for instance, seem like a good idea: we do the same thing for our movies (Deadpool is rated R, maybe your kids will have a Bad Time) and our food (has tons of carbs! lots of processed sugar!). And I think there's value in giving people the choice in what adversity they face day-to-day if they're already struggling (people with suicidal ideation don't need a lot of exposure to more suicidal ideation).
OTOH, I really agree with what Wendy Hyman from the article says. When you bend that far backwards you end up on the far right, circumscribing what people can think or say because you think you know better. For instance, outrage/call-out culture has made it a crime to be called a racist, so now everyone doesn't want to talk about race for fear of being called a racist. But if we can't talk meaningfully about race as an issue then it won't ever be untangled. It's okay to be angry about this stuff but using that as a foundation to halt all discussions forever just guarantees that the problem won't go away.
My mom is a Chicano activist and she's always warned about what she calls the "más que tus": people who used their identities and politics as cards in a game of one-upmanship rather than as ways of understanding and ultimately changing the status quo. I'm worried that we're feeding that now in our search for a progressive means forward.
Despite Deadpool being a Marvel property, the movie itself was primarily produced/distributed by 20th Century Fox, so it's probably just different licensing between different companies.
The easiest way to see this split, if you're ever trying to explain it to people, is to point to movie reviewers. It's the simplest version.
Movie reviewers over the past few years have been off-step with major movie consumers. They've missed the mark on many movies (Deadpool and the new superman/batman movie are the most recent examples). This isn't because the reviewers' tastes are inherently better than the unwashed masses (although they would have you believe that).
It's because they're elite, upper-class individuals, or at least they live that lifestyle. They're 'rich' folk who are unconnected with what John Q. Public really is into.
It's a super simplification, but it's valid.
As self-righteous as it often sounds, this type of fight against consumerism really is admirable. That said, I think in way these types of tools actually help people to move in the direction that you're going (or have gone).
Setting up x y and z streaming servers and downloading 38 movies at a time (because patience is a virtue) so you have a large on-demand catalogue isn't really less consumerist than having tools that are versatile enough to let you sit down and get something on the screen within 30 seconds.
Of course, you can abuse something like this or Popcorn Time to become more of a consumer than ever, but I don't think it's inherent to the tool.
On the topic of the latest Marvel flick, you really should see Deadpool. It's absolutely hysterical!