Canada (Kevin/Robert from Shark Tank are in some seasons)
UK
Ireland
You can also watch the UK version of The Apprentice and Young Apprentice (teens). The US versions of the traditional The Apprentice are a bit old and the Celebrity Apprentice is not worth watching.
Dragons' Den is the show that Shark Tank is based on. It has run for many seasons in the UK and Canada (and short runs in Australia and Ireland and elsewhere). Episodes can be found on Youtube.
In turn, Dragon's Den was based on a Japanese show (The Tigers of Money).
I don't consider myself a non technical reader, just under educated reader but I would like to respond anyways. I found this site the same way most of my friends have, one of my friends (real friends not Fb friends) sent me a link regarding some cutting edge technology (I believe it was about biohacking) that we previously had a conversation about.
There are a few reasons I keep coming back, I like the YC idea of supporting startups, the same reason I watch TV shows like the shark tank, dragons den etc., I like the fact I can sort the news by newest submissions and last and probably most importantly, with all the fake news and rumors, click bait and the like I value the moderated comments section just as you suggested in your question.
Great idea. I don't usually watch Dragons Den but one of the few episodes I watched had this exact thing and they said they were already partnering with Sony and that their tags were in the box of every Sony laptop (I think).
The extensive due diligence is done after the show, which is why deals struck on the show often fall through later on.
Another reason is that many of those doing pitches don't actually want a deal, but instead simply want the exposure provided by the platform (which, I presume, is how the show managed to get that ridiculous equity clause in). Getting a "deal" is useful in that it makes it more likely that you'll make the cut and actually appear in an episode.
Dragons Den did a follow-up show where they talked about the majority of deals falling through afterwards for various reasons, among them that the pitchers had a change of heart.
Fundamentally the type of businesses that go on these TV shows tend to be much slower growth than your typical tech startup, hence why they receive much smaller valuations than what we in the tech industry are used to seeing.
If you like Shark Tank definitely check out the Canadian version of Dragons' Den. It is more focused on the pitch rather than the at-home story of the people pitching. You can find most of the episodes on YouTube.
I remember watching Shark Tank a while ago and one of the pitches was perfect fitting jeans. The idea seems quite similar (but for jeans). The investors didn't really think it was viable due to the turn-around time (if I remember correctly).
Edit: It was actually Dragons Den (Season 2 Ep 6 I think)
I highly recommend BBC version ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/ ) as it deals quite a bit with valuation and is more serious. After success of BBC Dragons Den there have been few BBC offshots: Dragons Den Online (shorter pitches); Dragons Den - What happened later (recap of pitches and where entrepreneurs are year later); Dragons Den Around the world (recap of how other tv stations do Dragons Den). Less than half of the pitches get any traction.
After watching the UK I found Canadian edition (available to watch at cbc.ca) a bit over the top. The valuation and money exchanged were much higher. The cool think in Canadian edition is Bret, who is either a VC or philanthropist depending on his mood. CBC also produced couple episodes showing how dragons grew to the riches that they have now. What were their roots, and where did they start. Less than half of the pitches get any traction.
Shark Tank in comparison is crazy as it tries to show: American Dream can be made with a little help of Seed money. Most pitches are good, no fumbles, no crazy valuations, no crazy people. As if 75% to 100% of pitches were made to deals.
I can't say much on Irish or Australian Dragon's Den, those are quite tricky to find. I saw parts of Australian Dragon's Den on a special BBC edition of Dragon's Den around the world.
Being of Slavic origins I tried watching the Czech edition (called 'd den' http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/program/dend click videoarchive) but found business terms tricker to grasp. The new season comes with subtitles so I will renew an attempt to watch it.
Poland started doing own dragons den this spring. There are clips of it on youtube as part of original marketing. From what I read, the show was a hit, and they want another season within next 6 months.
Add a few staged infights and you pretty much have Hacker Big Brother meets Shattered (reality TV show where participants didn't sleep for a week), with a dash of Apprentice (you'd have to throw out a coder after each week), Dragons' Den (have nice closeups of bad feature pitches) & even Startup.com.
God, Channel 4'd be all over this. I'd best pitch the idea to them quick!
Peter Jones is one of the five angel-investors on the BBC version of Dragons' Den. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons_Den
He's been on the show for all six seasons. There are a lot of Dragons' Den episodes and specials uploaded in high-quality here: http://www.youtube.com/user/DDRepeat
Some of his investment/entrepreneurial specialties are mobile telecommunications, television, and media. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Jones_(entrepreneur)
I think I saw two episodes of UK's Dragon's Den from the first season (you can find them on bittorrent sites). It was an interesting show from what I remember. For those that never heard of it, here's what wikipedia says:
"Dragons' Den is a television programme that originated in Japan where the format is owned by Sony. The format, which now airs internationally, consists of entrepreneurs pitching their ideas to secure investment finance from business experts -- the "Dragons"."
Basically, you pitch a bunch of rich people, entrepreneurs and investors and they tell you what you think and they might invest into your idea as well.
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My ranking of Dragons Den series:
Canada (Kevin/Robert from Shark Tank are in some seasons) UK Ireland
You can also watch the UK version of The Apprentice and Young Apprentice (teens). The US versions of the traditional The Apprentice are a bit old and the Celebrity Apprentice is not worth watching.
Dragons' Den is the show that Shark Tank is based on. It has run for many seasons in the UK and Canada (and short runs in Australia and Ireland and elsewhere). Episodes can be found on Youtube.
In turn, Dragon's Den was based on a Japanese show (The Tigers of Money).
I don't consider myself a non technical reader, just under educated reader but I would like to respond anyways. I found this site the same way most of my friends have, one of my friends (real friends not Fb friends) sent me a link regarding some cutting edge technology (I believe it was about biohacking) that we previously had a conversation about. There are a few reasons I keep coming back, I like the YC idea of supporting startups, the same reason I watch TV shows like the shark tank, dragons den etc., I like the fact I can sort the news by newest submissions and last and probably most importantly, with all the fake news and rumors, click bait and the like I value the moderated comments section just as you suggested in your question.
Great idea. I don't usually watch Dragons Den but one of the few episodes I watched had this exact thing and they said they were already partnering with Sony and that their tags were in the box of every Sony laptop (I think).
The extensive due diligence is done after the show, which is why deals struck on the show often fall through later on.
Another reason is that many of those doing pitches don't actually want a deal, but instead simply want the exposure provided by the platform (which, I presume, is how the show managed to get that ridiculous equity clause in). Getting a "deal" is useful in that it makes it more likely that you'll make the cut and actually appear in an episode.
Dragons Den did a follow-up show where they talked about the majority of deals falling through afterwards for various reasons, among them that the pitchers had a change of heart.
I wrote an article on Dragon's Den valuation and why they're different from typical startup valuations a few years back:
http://blog.awesomezombie.com/2010/10/low-valuations-on-dragons-den.html
Fundamentally the type of businesses that go on these TV shows tend to be much slower growth than your typical tech startup, hence why they receive much smaller valuations than what we in the tech industry are used to seeing.
If you like Shark Tank definitely check out the Canadian version of Dragons' Den. It is more focused on the pitch rather than the at-home story of the people pitching. You can find most of the episodes on YouTube.
I remember watching Shark Tank a while ago and one of the pitches was perfect fitting jeans. The idea seems quite similar (but for jeans). The investors didn't really think it was viable due to the turn-around time (if I remember correctly).
Edit: It was actually Dragons Den (Season 2 Ep 6 I think)
Shark Robert Herjavec was originally on Dragons' Den in Canada (seasons 1-6).
Shark Tank is American remake of Dragon's Den.
I highly recommend BBC version ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/ ) as it deals quite a bit with valuation and is more serious. After success of BBC Dragons Den there have been few BBC offshots: Dragons Den Online (shorter pitches); Dragons Den - What happened later (recap of pitches and where entrepreneurs are year later); Dragons Den Around the world (recap of how other tv stations do Dragons Den). Less than half of the pitches get any traction.
After watching the UK I found Canadian edition (available to watch at cbc.ca) a bit over the top. The valuation and money exchanged were much higher. The cool think in Canadian edition is Bret, who is either a VC or philanthropist depending on his mood. CBC also produced couple episodes showing how dragons grew to the riches that they have now. What were their roots, and where did they start. Less than half of the pitches get any traction.
Shark Tank in comparison is crazy as it tries to show: American Dream can be made with a little help of Seed money. Most pitches are good, no fumbles, no crazy valuations, no crazy people. As if 75% to 100% of pitches were made to deals.
I can't say much on Irish or Australian Dragon's Den, those are quite tricky to find. I saw parts of Australian Dragon's Den on a special BBC edition of Dragon's Den around the world.
Being of Slavic origins I tried watching the Czech edition (called 'd den' http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/program/dend click videoarchive) but found business terms tricker to grasp. The new season comes with subtitles so I will renew an attempt to watch it.
Poland started doing own dragons den this spring. There are clips of it on youtube as part of original marketing. From what I read, the show was a hit, and they want another season within next 6 months.
Add a few staged infights and you pretty much have Hacker Big Brother meets Shattered (reality TV show where participants didn't sleep for a week), with a dash of Apprentice (you'd have to throw out a coder after each week), Dragons' Den (have nice closeups of bad feature pitches) & even Startup.com.
God, Channel 4'd be all over this. I'd best pitch the idea to them quick!
Peter Jones is one of the five angel-investors on the BBC version of Dragons' Den. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragons_Den
He's been on the show for all six seasons. There are a lot of Dragons' Den episodes and specials uploaded in high-quality here: http://www.youtube.com/user/DDRepeat
Some of his investment/entrepreneurial specialties are mobile telecommunications, television, and media. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Jones_(entrepreneur)
I think I saw two episodes of UK's Dragon's Den from the first season (you can find them on bittorrent sites). It was an interesting show from what I remember. For those that never heard of it, here's what wikipedia says:
"Dragons' Den is a television programme that originated in Japan where the format is owned by Sony. The format, which now airs internationally, consists of entrepreneurs pitching their ideas to secure investment finance from business experts -- the "Dragons"."
Basically, you pitch a bunch of rich people, entrepreneurs and investors and they tell you what you think and they might invest into your idea as well.