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Everything is a Remix
2010 · TV series · 1 season
Remixing is a folk art but the techniques are the same ones used at any level of creation: copy, transform, and combine. You could even say that everything is a remix.
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That highlighted phrase "everything is a remix" was for a good reason, there's a documentary of that same name, and I can certainly recommend it.
At the same time, there are things that are truly novel, even if the idea is based on combining two common approaches, the implementation might need to be truly novel, with new formulas and new questions that arise from those. AI can't belp there, speaking from experience.
If you haven’t seen that “Everything is a Remix” documentary you should. It’s so good.
Anytime these discussions pop up, it's good to link to the documentary "Everything is a Remix" (here is the 2023 updated version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9RYuvPCQUA" )
It highlights how essentially everything in culture is a remix of some previous version of the culture (or some aspect of it). E.g. even language is largely a remix of earlier languages with some occasional creation of new words.
Also, while true that there is definitely an oligopoly, it's also clear that the Long Tail is both huge AND easy to access. In the past, you could only see movies by going to the movie theater and there were only a limited number of theaters. Now, you can both create and consume media in niches as small (or combined) as you want.
Exactly. For those who want a good film to watch regarding why this is the case: https://www.everythingisaremix.info/everything-is-a-remix-remastered
Ever watch a documentary called “Everything is a remix”? It might change your mind on the subject and let you enjoy the originals and the adaptations too.
You might find this documentary interesting: "Everything Is A Remix" [1]
[1] https://youtu.be/nJPERZDfyWc?si=IooGFXhb5gbYNWyS
That's the idea behind the documentary "Everything is a remix" on YouTube. Worth to watch
No, I suggest that modern copyright is a regressive system, and the enforcement mechanisms being imposed on behalf of wealthy publishing guilds is essentially regulatory capture that pretty much increases the risk of greater surveillance and policing in general. If you look at DMCA takedowns on YouTube, the obvious pirates are caught pretty quickly, I know, because I frequently search for marvel movies clips, and they disappear almost within hours of me finding them. The disturbing cases, which you claim won't happen, are small time channels where people's content is flagged because of fair use, even 15 second clips of background music for an intro get a take down request. Seriously, do you think 15 seconds of someone's song on a title sequence is going to deprive the originator of someone paying to hear his full song?
That the over-policing of copyright will cast a chilling effect on independent media creation, that it will affect fair use and transformative works, and that the EU copyright laws will cause all online providers to err on the side of false positives. If you think automated takedowns, de-monetization, and capricious account bans are bad now, just wait until platforms are put in the untenable position of facing either huge fines for under policing, or lesser punishments for over policing.
I already told you that distributed networks have been taken down by concerted government action. Torrent sites have been shutdown. People have been charged during the Napster-era for hundreds of thousands of $$$ for songs on their hard drive. Here, how does this back up your point: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2012/sep/11/minnesota-woman-songs-illegally-downloaded
As I pointed out, my ISP, Comcast, is already deep packet scanning network traffic and automatically flagging what it things are pirate activity.
You continually confuse real piracy, like someone uploading a whole movie or album, duped from pristine original source -- what I'd call bootleg copies, with stuff like a kid uploading a dance video to a backing track and going viral. Do you really think someone singing karaoke or dancing to a 30 year old song means that person should have their video taken down?
Even song covers, some girl or guy practicing singing, and and playing music on their own piano or guitar, gets taken down. I think that's absurd, especially for music decades old that was released before the singer was born. Artists being sued for sampling or chord sequences, against, a travesty. I've a big fan of Kirby Ferguson's _Everything is a Remix_, which points out that some of the biggest complainers of infringement of their work, are in fact, thieves themselves.
If YouTube becomes too hard for Europeans to publish on, because it turns into a hyper-curated nanny state, my point is, people may turn to TikTok, Bilibili, or others which will happily host the same content, but whose government cares little about helping to enforce foreign government ideas about IP. The end result of this law will be that it will be ineffectual in reducing piracy, but will be very effectual in casting a chilling effect on actual indie producers, and make it incredibly hard for competitors to YouTube start up in Europe.
Limit copyright to 14 years, the original duration (28 with renewable). That was the law for the first 180 years of copyright. Given the hyper-speed of internet time, if anything, copyright duration should be SHORTER not the century long disaster it is now. If you limited copyright to a much shorter term, I might be convinced to buy into your overly restrictionist stance, but as it is, lifetime+ copyright + orwellian enforcement mechanisms is a bridge too far.
Also, you do realize that most of the people concerned about losing the most money to copyright infringement are big international media companies and guilds, like Disney, or MPAA, RIAA, GEMA, etc and that you're essentially defending Disney Corp's right, whether you realize it or not, to block Star Wars parodies and fan films. Or GEMA's right to block your daughter's violin cover. Unless you think algorithm filters are going to magically determine 'fair use' between a kid cover, or a fan film, and a true bootleg, the end result is going to be platforms over-filtering.
I'll also point out that Max Schrems, whose strongly campaigns for GPDR and against Google and Facebook, actually is vehemently against Article 13, and backs mine and EFF's position.
I see you're a novice to legal-ese, while pedantically forming your opinion based on... Sentence construction? Not the content?
I guess we'll just have to deal with a Europe without memes. We'll see only slower, mass-market-only creators on the internet. The small businesses, the artists, the actual innovators will have no seat at the table... because you cannot wrap you head around a multi-clause sentence.
If you're going to be that American about this, you can keep your Brexit.
On the off chance that you're here to learn instead of just quasi-Schrute-ing on everything? I would suggest you watch a couple documentaries: "Rip: A Remix Manifesto," and "Everything is a Remix," to learn how creativity works. Any efforts to restrict derivative works, such as from these small outlets, demolishes the human ability to create. These are creative commons works, so I trust you to find them without having to buy a DVD/bluray.
This discussion reminds me of the "Everything is a Remix" [1] documentary. We tend to look at the winners to explain history, even though in many cases multiple players were working on the same theories at the same time, and the likely outcome would have been exactly the same if the winners have not existed.
Worth watching.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJPERZDfyWc
You should watch the documentary Everything is a Remix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coGpmA4saEk