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Hell or High Water

2016 · Film · 102 min

Directed by David Mackenzie

WesternCrimeDrama

A divorced dad and his ex-con brother resort to a desperate scheme in order to save their family's farm in West Texas.

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  1. Neutralramses0Mar 26, 2026

    """I have an idea for a movie club, where two movies with a tenuously connected theme are watched (separately) and then discussed. If you've seen the movies "XXX", and "YYY", tell me what is similar about them, what's different, what are some possible "connected themes" and who tackled the topic better?"""

    ...time passes...

    """Now that you understand the idea behind these pairings, recommend five more pairings, but don't give any hints as to their connections, just five bullet points with "A vs B" movie titles. Bonus points if there is at least a 10-year gap between them, and they are both not box-office blockbusters (but make sure they are slightly more popular or recognizable movies, not exclusively low-distribution non-critically-acclaimed indie movies)."""

    * Children of Men vs Snowpiercer * Lost in Translation vs Frances Ha * No Country for Old Men vs Hell or High Water * The Prestige vs The Illusionist * Drive vs Nightcrawler

    ...I know guidance is "don't just post AI output", but this is specifically a human-to-human discussion around novel(?) ways to interact with AI/LLM's. I've found they're _really_ good at conceptual-venn-diagrams.

    There's a book "Algorithms to Live By" (ie: look for matching socks via BFS/DFS or whatever). Asking the AI: "you know a bunch of algorithms, what are the top three that should have been in the book?" => "what are the weakest that could have been removed?"

    Recently during performance reviews, we had to write our self-assessment and had guidance from on high like: "make sure you talk about people skills, technical skills, customer impact, etc." ...so yada yada: "I'm so amazing, I'm so great" => "Dear AI, I've been given this guidance `...`, please compare my handcrafted storytelling against the guidance `...` and tell me where I have missed covering a requirement" => "...now please give help w.r.t. simplifying or cleaning up the section on $INCREDIBLE_TECHNICAL_ACHIEVEMENT b/c I was focusing on describing my personal impact, but need help making it more digestible for others".

    The combination of instant, tailored feedback and the fact that they've read the whole internet, "watched" every movie (read the script, read critics reviews, reddit, forum discussions, etc), read most published books, and that they're 80%+ plumbers, doctors, lawyers, car mechanics, etc. make them an unstoppable research assistant, especially when crossing connections that would normally be "expensive" to do so.

    Example: ask a [doctor+lawyer+plumber] about the health and legal impacts of lead solder in pipes or whatever. Instead of needing to schedule 3 people's times, wait for them, pay them, etc, you can get instant "free" feedback, educate yourself, and then have a more solid foundation to branch out from there. Such incredibly useful tools!

  2. PositivegerminalphraseJun 27, 2022

    You’re right, of course.

    That said, “ No Country for Old Men” and “Hell or High Water” are significantly better movies than “Taken” and “The Equalizer”.

  3. Positivem3kw9Dec 23, 2020

    Hell or high water is a good movie about that.

  4. Neutralm3kw9Aug 28, 2019

    Like straight out of movie Hell or high water

  5. NeutraleffieNov 19, 2018

    People who rob banks are not necessarily psychopaths. For a good (fictitious but convincing) example, see Toby Howard in the film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_or_High_Water_(film) Robbing a bank is universally illegal, but it is not regarded as unethical in general.

  6. NeutralBartweissJun 7, 2018

    Ah, thanks for that! This is the sort of observation where I always worry that I've just got a biased sample, so any unrelated take on the topic is helpful.

    I see a handful of very on-topic films there, Trouble in the Peace in particular looks like an environmental version of Hell or High Water (mortgages) or Legends of the Fall (local government corruption and mistreatment of Native Americans). But those were high-profile films with famous casts, while Trouble in the Peace looks like a sleeper labor of love.

    Honestly, I'm really surprised we haven't gotten any good "oil companies ruin our lives" dramas this decade, you could do fracking or sea level rise or drought or... It feels like a weird gap in the set of popular narratives.

  7. NeutraladamseaJan 24, 2018

    > Somehow we've gotten from there to a point where you're suggesting that a poor person who is somehow capable of starting their own small business is, by the very nature of being poor, fundamentally incapable of making a good decision regarding disability insurance options.

    I don't think anyone is actually suggesting that.

    I was suggesting, essentially, that poverty is a vicious cycle. That, to quote the movie Hell or High Water, "I been poor my whole life. So were my parents, an their parents before 'em ... It's like a disease, passing from generation to generation. Becomes, a sickness, that's what it is ... Infects every person you know"

    And obviously this isn't a universal. There are always exceptions, that goes without saying.

  8. PositiveeldavidoMay 2, 2017

    I've thought about this a lot, and here's my .02 on the matter.

    If you look at politics now, there's a decidedly anti-elitist trend. This is why Trump got elected. I felt the movie "Hell or High Water" portrayed the ex-Bay Area/other "creative class" cities' zeitgeist really well. There are just a huge number of people struggling to get by, trying to make their mortgage payments, in tons of debt.

    At the same time, I find Snap fascinating. Anecdotally, it seems to appeal to young people, people bored working low-end jobs, and others I wouldn't call "rich". And despite the CEO's dumb comments about "a social network for rich people", there's a raw, back-to-basics, "for normal people" feel they've worked hard to cultivate.

    I think that if Apple isn't careful, they could be seen as an elitist, out-of-touch, "rich person" phone company. Like, "this is the phone for people who drive E-Class Mercedes. I want a phone for people who drive a truck, drink Miller, and watch football". I could totally see this happening if the Asian Android manufacturers keep nipping at their heels. At some point, phones are going to hit saturation in terms of how much new functionality people care about. And I think there will be a space for a device that's further downmarket, more affordable, and not as aspirational/elitist as an iPhone. It would be a phone that does about 80% of what an iPhone does today, GPS, video calls, camera, good battery life, etc., but without some of the really "gadgety" recent stuff on the iPhone, like 3D touch.

    I also think that if computing overall moves to more of a conversational/message-oriented paradigm, it's going to cause the form factor of phones to change a lot, and become more "invisible" in favor of simpler devices, or even a pair of headphones that talk directly to a mobile network.

    The other thing to keep in mind, history shows incumbent tech companies aren't "replaced", they're just outgrown by new ones. IBM is _still_ selling mainframes, just not PCs or mobile phones. So the more likely case is, some new thing comes up and has even broader appeal than Apple products. Granted, it's hard to see how that could happen with their sales volumes, but that's what history suggests.

  9. PositiveRodeoclashFeb 20, 2017

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    I wrote it mainly for myself. When I sit down to watch a movie I decide on what I want to watch based more and more on who made it rather than what it's about. E.g. Taylor Sheridan wrote "Sicario". Based on how much I enjoyed that movie, I knew I would likely want to watch "Hell or High Water".

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