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Marvel's The Defenders
2017 · TV series · 1 season
Created by Doug Petrie, Marco Ramirez
Science FictionFantasyActionAdventureCrime
Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist join forces to take on common enemies as a sinister conspiracy threatens New York City.
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Lol I wrote Avengers instead of Defenders, not sure why the downvote, but it was a really good series of shows, it was highly recommended on Netflix at the time any time a new season came out. Disney just wanted to pull it into Disney Plus that much is obvious considering they've only just started to do that, with the same cast.
Not only this, but there's also Stranger Things, which imho had too many long breaks between seasons. Black Mirror was another one that was really popular. Squid Game as well.
Narcos is another and one of my personal favorite shows of all time, really captures a lot of details that I had no idea about as known by the DEA agents who went after some of the biggest drug lords of our time.
They also fund and produce some of the best high quality documentary series.
https://screenrant.com/marvel-netflix-tv-show-cancellations-response/
I want to make this random off-topic comment: For years I've been collecting various audio clips, where "environmental" sound (voice, noise, etc.) transitions into music, or vise versa, in songs, movies and TV shows. I've searched the web and the closest term I can find is "diegetic switch", but not quite. Here's the (short) list:
- https://youtu.be/9j9bVl3rfNk?t=29 In The Defenders, repeated piano note transitions into background music.
- https://youtu.be/isZyX1xd1VQ?t=159 (The Great American Nightmare - Rob Zombie)
- https://youtu.be/pU_mZ1X69Ho?t=364 (Out of Control - Miraculix)
- Justice League the movie where the song "Everybody Knows" transitions into the ambulance siren. Sorry I can't find this footage.
I can accept that that's part of the reason. Back in the day bullied kids watched Karate Kid to watch the underdog emerge victorious against all odds. But even the most die hard fan will tell you that Karate Kid 3 did not need to be made, it was a cheap cash-in on a successful franchise.
What explains the desire to make a mini-series or spinoff franchise about every single character, if not the desire to cash in? A couple of years ago Netflix had Jessica Jones, Iron Fist and Luke Cage as standalone shows, and The Defenders as its own show. The Defenders had the exact same cast playing the same characters as on the standalone shows. What is the point of that? Certainly not to put traumatized adults at ease I imagine.
I would imagine so. Disney's biggest deals seem to have been with Hulu, so owning that outright gives it a lot of power to change deals, and with Netflix, which presumably part of the timing that Disney+ won't roll out until Fall is that coincides I believe with the expiration of the biggest of Disney's streaming licenses to Netflix (the one for access to films). (The Defenders MCU shows exclusive contract to Netflix I think will still take a few more years to expire before Disney can bring them "home".)
What I like about the UK/EU model is that:
1. Yes - fewer episodes. In particular one of the main criticisms of things like the Netflix produced Marvel shows (Daredevil, IronFirst, Defenders, etc.) is that they would be much more effective if there were less episodes / season.
2. Actually having endings. If you skip the need to leave things open ended so you can have a 10 season run, you can actually tell a story arc with a beginning middle and end.
3. The UK TV model seem to allow more creativity. If a good producer/director/writer/actor team puts out a good series, they then move ahead and build out a new series with maybe some of the same "bones".
Good and bad with both systems.
The Lazarus comic is excellent. I didn't realise the show was being developed by Amazon. It really deserves the same level of treatment Marvel and Netflix gave Dare Devil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron First and The Defenders.
They managed to pull off the Marvel cinematic universe on TV and I think overall they are better than the movies.
Atleast 50% of the marvel content on your list are Netflix Owned Orginals, they can not pulled to Disney's new service. This would be Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Defenders, Punisher. It is highly unlikely Netflix would be stupid enough not to have those locked down.
Agents of Shield I believe a ABC owned production, and would be governed under what ever terms Netflix and ABC have, Same with Inhumans I would image but it is a newer property so it might have to stings attached it to
Movies, yes those will likely be pulled. I can see the Non-Netflix Originals being pulled.. maybe.
I'm unsure it is possible to translate the Netflix-Marvel series' success to non-Earth stories, let alone to Star Wars. To have the deep stories that you enjoyed they need enough screen time to tell the stories. The 4 individual stories + 1 miniseries of the Defenders is supposed to be about $200 million [1]. That comes out to 26 + 13 + 13 + 13 + 7? = 72, which is $2.7 million per episode. This uses mostly existing sets and straightforward special effects. Star Wars in particular is commonly set aboard complex spaceships or vastly different alien worlds in the company of aliens and robots. Therefore the investment required to initiate this seems like it would be significantly higher.
Game of Thrones, for context of a series with both well known actors and amazing sets and effects, is about $10 million per episode. If we assume that a Star Wars series would cost about the same and it would take approximately a similar number of episodes to tell such a story, that would be $720 million. I might be wrong, but I don't think such an investment in film has never been done before.
I think it will depend greatly on both the continued success of the Marvel TV shows + how the remaining Star Wars films perform.
1: [Marvel’s Netflix Bound TV Shows To Cost A Whopping $200 Million](http://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/marvels-netflix-bound-tv-shows-cost-whopping-200-million/)