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Terminator 2: Judgment Day
1991 · Film · 137 min
Part of The Terminator Collection
Directed by James Cameron
Ten years after the events of the original, a reprogrammed T-800 is sent back in time to protect young John Connor from the shape-shifting T-1000. Together with his mother Sarah, he fights to stop Skynet from triggering a nuclear apocalypse.
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Top movies include Apocalypse Now, The Deer Hunter, The Graduate, Moonlight, Manchester by the Sea, Room, Silver Linings Playbook, Terminator 2: Judgment Day and Pan's Labyrinth.
For those unaware, this line is from the movie Terminator 2:
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4Ol9Tb1D0
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminator_2:_Judgment_Day
This has already been a movie called Terminator 2: Judgment Day. Sarah Connor is out to kill Dyson to stop Skynet from becoming a thing and the audience watched it thinking she was probably justified but was uncomfortable anyway. Spoiler alert: she ended up shooting but not killing him.
My point is, we've seen this movie and killing Sam Altman is uncomfortable but justified.
Niki, this is amazing, thank you for that!
I just discovered they play Terminator 2 at Babylon Berlin tonight, thinking of going there, always wanted to see that on a big screen :)
It seems like your list is not showing "OV", "OVmU" correctly at Babylon. Both Terminator 2 (https://babylonberlin.eu/programm/festivals/scifi/7199-scifi-terminator-2-judgment-day) and the mentioned Matrix (https://babylonberlin.eu/programm/festivals/scifi/7192-scifi-the-matrix) there are OVmU according to their website, but that doesn't show in your list. I guess the data is provided wrongly.
As someone who only watches OV with (if not English or German) English or German subtitles I would love to have one thing which movie theatres don't get: A filter for "OV" (Original Version). Thing is, they "have" it, but they exclude german OV's for a reason I don't understand.
Example: Go to https://www.cinecitta.de/, and check the movie screenings. You'll find "Andrea lässt sich scheiden", an Austrian movie with original audio in German. But as soon as you go to the menu and select "Original Versions + OmU" they don't show it anymore, even though it is OV! I don't get that.
So, my wish, Niki: Can you identify original German movies played in German as "OV" as well?
Hmm. Allow me to rephrase. Clearly, we are assuming two different current states. I indicated that T2 was made almost 30 years ago with MASSIVE improvements across just about every facet of computer generated visuals. That movie cost 100 million to make ( about twice that in today's dollars adjusted for inflation ) and it had some stars in it ( Arnold reportedly being paid cool $15M ), which easily explains some of the cost.
I am not assuming its cheap and easy. I am assuming it is both cheaper and easier than it was and noticeably so.
All that said, I think we may be just approaching it differently. Let me share my thought process.
Cameron suggested the actual CGI scene count is 42[1] ( we can do 50 for easier math, but 42 will favor your position so lets assume 42 ). According to wiki[2] CGI budget was 15M-17M ( and lets assume 17M to account for the upper cost to accommodate your view of CGI cost ).
At $17M for 42 an instance of CGI comes to $404k a pop for T2. Unfortunately, this is misleading as it does not give us a good way to compare against Turning Red as its all CGI, so we need to compare in minutes ( tr is 1h40m or 100 minutes ). Without doing any real analysis, I have to rely on net again[1], where we learn that:
"all the work required to bring the T-1000 to life, costing $5.5 million, and taking eight months to produce, which ultimately amounted to 3.5 minutes of screen time. "
5.5M/3.5 = $1.571M per minute for Terminator 2 ( or about ~3M USD adjusted for inflation ).
In other words, adjusted for inflation re-running TR assuming the same cost as T2 results in 300M ( 100 minutes * 3M per minute ) projected CGI cost for TR ( almost double TR's budget, which we know was not all CGI ). In other words, CGI has gotten almost 100% more efficient, partially because I seriously doubt entire $175M TR budget went to CGI ).
I am not arguing its peanuts ( although I am sure argument could be made what with current AI tools ), but it is definitely more cheap.
To be fair, it might not be more easy ( that I have zero knowledge of ).
[1]https://computeranimationhistory-cgi.jimdofree.com/terminator-2-1991/ [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_effects_of_Terminator_2:_Judgment_Day
The Summarizer uses extra knowledge beyond what's given by the URL you submit. I tried giving it a link to a synopsis of "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" from IMDB. I then copied and pasted the synopsis into a pastebin online content-hosting site, and gave the Summarizer the URL of the pastebin. Both results are impressive but quite different:
When fed https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/plotsummary/?ref_=tt_stry_pl#synopsis :
Terminator 2: Judgment Day is a 1991 science fiction action film that follows the story of John Connor and his mother Sarah as they attempt to prevent a nuclear war called Judgment Day. The film follows John and Sarah as they are pursued by a T-1000, a liquid metal android sent back in time to kill Sarah. John and Sarah enlist the help of a reprogrammed Terminator to protect them from the T-1000. In the end, John and Sarah manage to destroy the T-1000 and the chip that would have caused Judgment Day. The film ends with John and Sarah embracing, relieved that they have prevented the nuclear war. An interesting aspect of the film is the Terminator's ability to learn and understand human emotions, which is demonstrated when it refuses to kill John's foster parents and when it grasps Sarah's hand in a gesture of understanding.
Versus https://pastebin.com/Bk183Jky :
The movie opens with shots of traffic and children in playgrounds, followed by a flash-forward to Los Angeles in 2029 AD. The survivors of the nuclear fire called the war Judgment Day are fighting against robotic tanks and androids. John Connor and his mother Sarah Connor are on the run from the T-1000, a liquid metal android sent to kill them. They enlist the help of the Terminator, a cyborg sent from the future to protect them. After a series of intense battles, the Terminator and Sarah manage to destroy the T-1000 in a pool of molten metal. However, the Terminator reminds them that there is still one more chip which must be destroyed; it points at its own skull.
Notice that the first summary mentions "1991 science fiction", but none of the words science, fiction, or 1991 are to be found at that URL.
3D animation reached new heights in Hollywood with movies likes The Abyss (1989) and Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991). The acclaimed liquid tentacles in The Abyss and the liquid metal terminator in Terminator 2 were both made using an animation technique known as metaballs...
I think the '90s had a bit more variety than the '10s and (for now) '20s. E.g. we seem to have lost good legal procedurals, thrillers, weird fiction, and "small scale" sci-fi.
Fo example, what are the'10s equivalents of "A Few Good Men", "Seven", "Dark City" and "The 13th Floor"?
There is _some_ stuff, but less than before, replaced by a massive amount of super hero movies or long-running franchises.
As a support clue, I invite you to consider the winners of the MTV Movie Awards, which are more "popular" than other Awards:
92 Terminator 2: Judgment Day 93 A Few Good Men 94 Menace II Society 95 Pulp Fiction 96 Seven 97 Scream 98 Titanic 99 There's Something About Mary 00 The Matrix (bonus: not 90s)
compare with the 10s
10 The Twilight Saga: New Moon 11 The Twilight Saga: Eclipse 12 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1 13 Marvel's The Avengers 14 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire 15 The Fault In Our Stars 16 Star Wars: The Force Awakens 17 Beauty and the Beast 18 Black Panther 19 Avengers: Endgame
I have the feeling most "risky" movies, for lack of a better word, have moved to streaming services.
The problem with your wager is that on a long enough timeline, the doomsayers are always right.
So saying anything OR societal collapse is going to evaluate to true.
There are any number of disasters, both terrestrial and cosmic, that can radically change the landscape of the Earth.
I also don't really find discussions about what's going to happen beyond our lifetime that interesting for the most part. Often, they're just fantastic wishing attached to some loose thread of logic.
The Island
Escape from New York
The Running Man
Akira
Strange Days
A Scanner Darkly
Back to the Future II
Blade Runner
2001: A Space Odyssey
2010: The Year We Make Contact
Death Race 2000
1984
Terminator 2: Judgment Day
Freejack
Westworld
Real Steel
Pacific Rim
12 Monkeys
The Abyss
Timecop
And a host of other films and books are set in futures that are now our past. And while some of these are fantasy designed to entertain, they all make assumptions about what would be possible by that time. And we have fallen woefully short of those predictions. So short, that "flying cars and meals in pill form" is a meme about such predictions.
The Terminator: [to John] What's the dog's name?
John Connor: Max.
The Terminator: [impersonating John's voice] Hey Janelle, what's wrong with Wolfie? I can hear him barking.
T-1000 impersonating Janelle: Wolfie's fine, honey, Wolfie's just fine. Where are you?
The Terminator: [hangs up the phone] Your foster parents are dead.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103064/quotes?qt0416763
>>> Titanic (1997) Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) The Abyss (1989) Aliens (1986) The Terminator (1984)
>> Not the sort of person I'd expect to suddenly turn around and release a good movie.
> I've seen a few of the movies on that list.
Well, why didn't you comment on the movies themselves then, instead of saying something that made it look like you were only making guesses as to the nature of James Cameron as a director based on seeing a list of movies he's made? :p
Yep, Titanic was what it was, but as such, not a particularly poor performance either.
Terminator 2, on the other hand, is one of the most epic movies ever made. You should have seen it in a movie theater when you were 14 years old.
Notable films from: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000116/#director
Titanic (1997) Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) The Abyss (1989) Aliens (1986) The Terminator (1984)