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Twelve Monkeys
1995 · Film · 129 min
Directed by Terry Gilliam
Science FictionThrillerMystery
In the year 2035, convict James Cole reluctantly volunteers to be sent back in time to discover the origin of a deadly virus that wiped out nearly all of the earth's population and forced the survivors into underground communities. But when Cole is mistakenly sent to 1990 instead of 1996, he's arrested and locked up in a mental hospital. There he meets psychiatrist Dr. Kathryn Railly and the son of a famous virus expert who may hold the key to the Army of the 12 Monkeys; thought to be responsible for unleashing the killer disease.
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It’s probably the best episode. That and over drawn a the memory bank. Overdrawn is my favourite episode by far. I love Raul Julia is wonderful and the cast really makes it a movie worth watching without mst3k. It presents such a weird view of future life. It’s as if it’s made by an alien that doesn’t really understand human culture and experiences. Like how has being “Doppled” into animals actually become the de facto treatment for scrolling up cinemas at work? Why are movies banned? If a person did actually have some blank Brain because of doppling why was that news to the woman whose job it is to dopple? Why is there an evil ceo of a mega corporation trying to control his mind? And are we really to believe that because Finkle can figure out how to scroll up cinemas he can hack the Gibson? The movie just generates questions after questions. Like why is the CEO mad about this? Did they just discover a way to put a persons mind in a computer and allow them to create any reality they want? Why is this a bad thing? It sounds like it would print money forever. Why does no one realise this and everyone conspire against Finkle? Which side is Apolonia on? She works for the mega corporations but her colleague who is getting fat on flavofibes is secretly reporting Apolonias decisions to the ceo.
Like tbh I think the movie is some kind of creative genius. Because it also has a crazy aesthetic. This weird vhs aesthetic that also has this kind of vision of the future where everyone is forced to wear grey suits in some sort of Orwellian capitalist nightmare. But everything is shot like it’s a two camera television studio setup. Interspersed with on location shots. So the studio has this weird soft lighting and the location shots all look like they are natural light.
The only thing I can compare it to is Twelve Monkeys. Yes I just equated Overdrawn at the Memory Bank to Twelve Monkeys. But I love this movie and I feel like everyone gives honest performances and it creates something totally unique. The world that exists inside of Overdrawn at the Memory Bank exists no place else.
This article seems to be a response to this 'free Orwellian TV monitor' offer:
https://www.wired.com/story/telly-tv-free-privacy/
I think the real wet dream of the security state is to have a software agent for every human on the planet. Something rather like this was at the core of DARPA's "Total Information Awareness" program of about two decades ago (later absorbed by the NSA and private contractors IIRC). Today's LLMs help make the concept clear - if you could collect enough data about a person you could create a software construct that could predict how that person would respond to different stimuli - an advertisement, a news story, etc. It would be the greatest tool for mass control every invented in the history of humanity - and those in control would use it to create the most dystopian authoritarian state imaginable - and yet those who lived under that state would probably think they were 'free people'.
The idea was nicely laid out in the 1995 movie, "Twelve Monkeys":
> "Jeffrey Goines : When I was institutionalized, my brain was studied exhaustively in the guise of mental health. I was interrogated, I was x-rayed, I was examined thoroughly. Then, they took everything about me and put it into a computer where they created this model of my mind. Yes! Using that model they managed to generate every thought I could possibly have in the next, say, 10 years. Which they then filtered through a probability matrix of some kind to determine everything I was gonna do in that period. So you see, she knew I was gonna lead the Army of the Twelve Monkeys into the pages of history before it ever even occurred to me. She knows everything I'm ever gonna do before I know it myself. How's that?"
It's the FBI keeping files on citizens, but on steroids. Those claiming 'this is fine' generally don't like to talk about who would get access to the database of agents, and who wouldn't.
> Bruce Willis may exist in the Ocean’s universe, but the 1995 film Twelve Monkeys, which co-starred Brad Pitt, does not. Movies like Fight Club, Seven, Batman & Robin, The Perfect Storm, Saving Private Ryan, and The Untouchables can’t exist.
This is horrible logic. Just because the actors may not exist doesn't mean other actors weren't cast for the parts. There is no reason to believe the movies don't exist, just in a different form.
> then says masks don't help
Actually, they said this:
Masks don't help
Masks do help, but save them for the healthcare workers
Masks do help, get one, a cloth one is fine.
Masks do help, double-mask
Mask do help, but you need N95 masks
Given that even with a properly fitting N95 mask that is form fitting you can still smell everything right through it, I think a properly fit, and negative pressure tested N100 or P100 is likely the actual protective standard of solid protection. Unfortunately, I have a few P100s sitting around and I can tell you that sleeping in one, or wearing one reguarly around town makes me feel I am living in a post apocalyptic dystopian future. Think 12 monkeys(1) minus the full chem/bio suit and crazy decon procedures.
This whole ordeal has greatly shaken my faith in technocratic government.
(1) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/
The problem with these online streaming services I face is that I try to use them mostly for one crucial purpose and that is recommendation - and they always fail to recommend anything that appeals to me. I want to find new songs, new artists that I would like. But these services never helped me with that.
I don't like rap, hip-hop, or metal. I mostly like rock, some pop etc but that too not too loud. I don't really know how much "not loud"; that's where I thought these recommendation engines would kick in. I have found couple of artists/songs that I just love on Bandcamp (awesome place). But Spotify, Apple Music (this one has been an utter disappointment for me), and many other streaming services that I've tried in my country just didn't cut it.
What have helped me over the years are films, blogs, tweets etc. Something random playing on a bus, or a film soundtrack, a TV show theme song. Like that song A Chi that I heard while watching The Best of Youth. It was in Italian and I didn't understand a word but I just instantly connected to it. I loved it. That German song from The Night Porter - from there I discovered Marlene Dietrich's Lili Marleen. Or Many a tears from October Sky, or that song from Twelve Monkeys. And there are some like Amélie (well, every tune is fabulous in this one) where I disconvered Guilty by Al Bowlly. A friend once, out of the blue, told me to check out Imagine Dragons and later I listenred to Demons like crazy; on repeat. Or a chance hearing of a tune in an Iranian film that was composed by an Iranian artist. It's the best song of melancholy I have ever heard and it doesn't have any lyrics.
I even found some nice ones on WCD before it was burnt down. I got there late; or rather started exploring late. Its recommendations were a lot better than the streaming serives, at least for me.
What I find surprising is that I benefit from recommendation services for books, films a lot, but for music I've never been able to find recommendation service that tries to find that nerve or even something close to it that is a person's musical taste and then recommends tunes around that. Maybe unlike books just the lyrics of a song aren't enough and it's very difficult to discern how a tune would sound good or boring to a listener. I've tried a lot and after some time I gave up. Maybe I was doing soemething wrong or I should try services that just to music recommendation, and not streaming maybe.
Simply astounding. Wonderfully done. The wealth of typographical research into various movies is almost Limitless. Twelve Monkeys couldn't pull me away from this. Regardless of what Her's got to say about it.
This also reminds me of a quote from the movie twelve monkeys - the insane asylum - seems to fit:
"Telephone call? Telephone call? That's communication with the outside world. Doctor's discretion. Nuh-uh. Look, hey - all of these nuts could just make phone calls, they could spread insanity, oozing through telephone cables, oozing into the ears of all these poor sane people, infecting them."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114746/quotes