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Barton Fink
1991 · Film · 117 min
Directed by Joel Coen, Ethan Coen
A renowned New York playwright is enticed to California to write for the movies and discovers the hellish truth of Hollywood.
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Watch the film Barton Fink.
Are there ever actual surprises though? I remember how amazing it was to see movies as a kid and find out about Darth Vader being Luke Skywalker’s father, but after 40 more years of watching movies, surprises are very few and far between. I have a better understanding of the language of movies.
I agree with you though for whodunit movies where there’s a lot of misdirection and surprise is the point. But knowing a lot about Barton Fink or some James Bond movie doesn’t diminish my fun.
I fundamentally agree with this. When Netflix demonstrated there was value in the IPR, the IPR holders took it back to get that value themselves. Netflix had shown it could make amazingly good content, but at higher risk and cost. It's got scared of the risk side. Too many flops? cancel after 2 episodes, never mind a season. So what if "fans" are ballistically angry and unfinished story arcs, they don't pay our KPI!
But, we also have short memory for the french metric kilometres of sheer dreck put out. I mean, "b movie" exists as a term because of it. hence D list celebrities exist because b list movies exist (kinda-sorta)
"Barton Fink" tells the story well: get amazing talent, smash the joy out of their life by applying the old school hollywood machine.
Disney has got scared too. It doesn't know if it will ruin the longterm income from Star Wars, by making more star wars. Its milked its goldmine of cartoons for 5 or more decades, and has a long term view (hence the remarkably bizarre disney thing about "putting it back in the vault" for a 5-10 year window so that a whole new cohort of consumers can be made to buy it)
I'll just point out that college students papers are exactly the sort of thing these AI chat things also do. Take a body of preexisting material and distill it into an essay. Really seems to me this is moving the bar as to what counts as cheating rather dramatically.
Memory that pops up is Barton Fink being told to write a script for a wrestling film.
Also sort of topical in high school had a quiz on a short story that I had not read. But I had read some of the authors other short stories. So I started out with 'While I failed to read 'story title'. Based on the author and the title I think the story is about bla bla. And the teacher took off 2 pts for not reading the story first.
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with your list, even though some of those are mediocre at best, but yeah I did mean per year, and limited to Hollywood (Parasite for instance not counting). And no, ok, I will also straight up disagree with the second Knives out Movie which I thought was absolute trash. A perfect example of poor storytelling and the form over substance of modern cinema.
But just taking say 1992 you have Last of the Mohicans, The Unforgiven, My Cousin Vinny, Malcolm X, Bad Lieutenant, Scent of a Woman, Reservoir Dogs, Dracula, Chaplin.
And then a bunch of fun schlomp like Arizona Dream, Basic Instinct, Sister Act, Army of Darkness, Home Alone 2, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, The Mighty Ducks, Wayne’s World.
These are all undoubtedly great movies.
And then another huge bunch of watchable stuff easily comparable to some of your mentions like Watcher or High Life.
And 1992 is not an outlier.
In 1993 you have Jurrasic Park, Groundhog Day, Whats Eating Gilbert Grape, Scindlers List, Meanace 2 Society, Alive, Dazed and Confused, Falling Down, In The Name of The Father, True Romance, Demolition Man, Carlitos Way, The Secret Garden, Philadelphia, A Perfect Workd, Cool Runnings, Short Cuts.
In 1991 Silence of The Lambs, Ternimator 2, JFK, Point Break, Thelma and Louise, Boyz in the Hood, The Doors, My Own Private Idaho, Barton Fink, The Fisher King, Naked Lunch.
In 1990 Goodfellas, Hunt for Red October, Total Recall, Edward Scissorhands, Home Alone, Godfather 3, Dances with Wolves, Tremors, Back to the Future 3, Awakenings, The Witches, Wild at Heart, Jacobs Ladder, Nikita, Slacker, Millers Crossing.
And the quality difference is massive too, not just somewhat better. Like just Millers Crossing is miles better than anything that has been made in the last 5 years, and I’m picking at random.
In 1994 Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction, Forrest Gump, The Lion King, Speed, Ace Ventura, Dumb and Dumber, Stargate, Natural Born Killers, The Crow, Clercs, Maverick, Ed Wood, In the Mouth of Madness, Interview With The Vampire.
I could go on.
And this is not even talking about how the 80s is a better decade for cinema, or how the 70s is the peak of the power of the author with far more experimental, artistic, and substantial productions.
Has quality declined? Yes. Massively. Humongously. Stupendously.
Barton Fink. Weirdly inspiring, and tells a story like almost no movie I have seen before and after.
Yeah, I didn't get that comment either and even tried to do a web search on it. I've seen A Serious Man numerous times. It's one of my favorite movies.
But it isn't about physics. It's overall theme is somewhat cryptic but it is making statements. It is less cryptic than Coen's other films like Barton Fink.
If you haven't seen the Coen Brother's filmography, start with A Serious Man. It's the kind of movie that gives you nostalgia for loneliness. It probably could have helped me in my teenage years. It's undoubtedly a cathartic movie for those who have had unfortunate luck or feel misunderstood.
If you want to say something like this, at least back it up with something. Anyone can say "You two are both wrong" and sound smart.
Also which part of "people don't understand" is not condescending?
Funny enough, I watched this movie called Barton Fink last night, and it's a perfect depiction of this nonsense.
Some pretty nice recommendations! I got Barton Fink, Throne of Blood...movies I'd never think about otherwise
Netflix recommendations have essentially never worked for me. It occasionally identifies a category I might be interested in, but essentially drops the ball on actual content. I think the best film I've seen recommended in a genre was Charlie Victor Romeo.
There are still some excellent movies (Primer, Metropolis, Ronin, Barton Fink, The Man Who Wasn't There, etc...), particularly classics. And the documentaries are probably under appreciated (Genius on Hold, Cave of Forgotten Dreams, both Cosmos, etc...). So, someone is probably paying attention. I have to randomly search for specific things from time to time though. Sometimes sites like https://reddit.com/r/bestofnetflix help.
One of the bigger problems I've noticed is that some movies tend to be cut short though. It's almost never a director's cut.
Talk about timing. I just wrote up a list for a friend that includes a bunch of weird movies (most of them being head trips). My list includes two Cronenberg movies as well! Though, to be honest, I'm not really a fan of either. Heh, I know this is a little off topic but for those that dove this deep into the thread, maybe you would like to expand your weird movie viewing experience.
01. Eraserhead-- This feature film was the debut for Writer/Director David Lynch. The film is noted for its usage of sound as a theatrical device and "the baby" which is rumored to be created from an embalmed cow fetus. The films script is a scant 21 pages despite a running time of 85 minutes (script pages typically match runtimes).
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074486/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eraserhead
02. Dead Leaves-- Produced in 2004, this Japanese animated film clocks in at 55 minutes long. The films (thin) plot is composed almost entirely of a chase/fight scene that begins on earth and ends on a space station. The movie's weirdness climaxes when when the mutant baby of the the film's protagonists is born and proceeds to kill a giant space catepillar which is attempting to eat the earth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Leaves http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0439533/
03. House -- This 1977 Japanese film certainly ranks as one of the weirdest (if not the weirdest) movies of all time. It was unreleased in the U.S. until after a screening at the 2009 New York Asian Film Festival. In an iconic scene, a Japanese girl is consumed by piano monster as a green eyed catch watches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(1977_film)
04. Jacob's Ladder- Fans of the game Silent Hill should well be aware of this movie from 1990 that inspired many of its elements. Tim Robbins stars as a vietnam war vet suffering from demonic images increasingly polluting his fragile reality. One paticularly gruesome scene includes Robbins being wheeled through a bloody hospital corrirodor filled with limbs and mutating torsos.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobs_Ladder_(film) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099871/
05. Barton Fink- This Cohen Brothers film stars John Turturro as a novelist. The 1991 film closes with a set of iconic scenes including John Goodman exiting a burning hallway (like a badass).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Fink http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101410/
06. Naked Lunch- The first of two Cronenberg films in this category. This 1991 film adaptation of a William S. Burroughs novel features a protagonist who uses bug spray as a chemical escape from reality. Talking insects and failed "William Tell Routines" are just some of the madness this movie contains.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102511/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naked_Lunch
07. Videodrome- David Cronenberg wrote and directed this movie staring James Woods. The movie centers around Wood's character, a sleazy TV exec, who inreasingly loses touch with reality after he comes across a station which airs extreme violence and torture. Key scenes include his merger with a TV set and a VHS tape being thrust into his stomach.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086541/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videodrome
08. Donnie Darko (Jake and Maggie Gyllenhall sp?)- Donnie Darko served as philosophical fodder for a whole generation of "Emos". Written and directed by Richard Kelly. The movie stars this brother-sister hollywood team. The movie covers a wealth of ideas including fatalism and time travel. Movie goers will inevitably remember the creepy bunny head that pervades entirety of the film.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0246578/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donnie_Darko
09. Human Centipede- This 2010 dutch horror film quickly became a meme rivaling Two Girls One Cup for gross-out factor. The film features a mad doctor who connects three unfortunate souls in the most unfortunate way possible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_centipede http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1467304/
10. Brazil- The second installment of Terry Gilliam's "Imagination Trilogy". This 1985 film represents the dreams of adults including navigating beurocracy and chasing true love. Robert DeNiro also provides a notable role as a rebel repairman in the film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil_(film) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/
11. Black Swan 12. Paprika 13. Being John Malkovich 05. Teeth
That anti-intellectualism seemed to be more or less the theme of "Barton Fink", a Coen Brothers movie where John Turturro is a socially conscious Broadway playwright who gets lured out to Hollywood where he agonizes over writing a script for what the producer intends to be just a dumb formulaic wrestling picture. (Though the movie eventually gets really weird, and it's been several years since I've seen it, so maybe I've gotten something wrong.)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101410/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Fink
Barton Fink was the most recent movie I watched when I signed up here. Other handles have been puns on places I've worked, old nicknames, etc. I use a different handle for every site I use.
I mentioned in a similar thread earlier this week that I don't feel that my handle has any ties to my identity - it's just the barrier to entry for posting here. I wouldn't mind one bit if PG decided not to display usernames with posts, and I think it might be an interesting experiment because it would completely eliminate the perceived problem of long-standing users getting celebrity votes and drowning out other, equally valid points of view.
I intentionally switch handles when I join a new service / community. I don't think of my handle as my "identity" in any sense - rather, it's more like a license to post whatever thoughts I have at the time. Barton Fink happened to be the most recent movie I watched since I started posting here. It has only a tenuous connection to my real identity, and I'm not particularly vested in it at all. If HN generated random ID's for me on posting, for example, I wouldn't mind.
One day I was having a discussion with a cashier in my neighborhoord. A kind woman in her fifties, who started this job before I was born. She used to be always cheerful and serviable, but not on that particular day. The conversation went like this :
"- What's going on ?"
"- I had an awful streak of horrible clients today, it really got me down"
"- Ah... Yes, I know what you're talking about, I used to be a cashier myself at X last year and some clients were just unbearable, I understand your pain."
"- Sure, but I'm not quitting my job in 6 months."
"- ..."
I just read your bio on a poker site. I saw that The Big Lebowski is your favorite movie. As someone a bit younger than you and who had his fair share of dirty jobs as well, I suggest you to rewatch another Cohen brothers classic : Barton Fink. Hell is not Hell when you're only a guest.