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Beauty and the Beast
2017 · Film · 129 min
Directed by Bill Condon
A live-action adaptation of Disney's version of the classic tale of a cursed prince and a beautiful young woman who helps him break the spell.
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It was a riff on Beauty and the Beast and actually looked very much like the last live action movie.
The logo watermark itself should be infringement, no?
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We're at the point where these generative AIs are good enough that they're doing things which are really surprising and unexpected and kind of exciting, but they're bad enough that almost everything they create falls somewhere between mediocre and dogshit.
I really hope, if these this stuff is going to be ubiquitous, that there are big strides made in improving the quality of the output, very soon. The novelty of seeing fake screencaps of Disney's Beauty and the Beast directed by David Cronenberg is wearing off fast, and aside from some very niche use cases (write some boiler plate code for this common design pattern in this very popular language) I haven't found much it's actually useful for
> If you can’t enjoy Beauty and the Beast because the logic of the enchantress’s spell is inconsistent, I beseech you, go watch a documentary about printing user manuals or some shit.
Hooked
I think the '90s had a bit more variety than the '10s and (for now) '20s. E.g. we seem to have lost good legal procedurals, thrillers, weird fiction, and "small scale" sci-fi.
Fo example, what are the'10s equivalents of "A Few Good Men", "Seven", "Dark City" and "The 13th Floor"?
There is _some_ stuff, but less than before, replaced by a massive amount of super hero movies or long-running franchises.
As a support clue, I invite you to consider the winners of the MTV Movie Awards, which are more "popular" than other Awards:
92 Terminator 2: Judgment Day 93 A Few Good Men 94 Menace II Society 95 Pulp Fiction 96 Seven 97 Scream 98 Titanic 99 There's Something About Mary 00 The Matrix (bonus: not 90s)
compare with the 10s
10 The Twilight Saga: New Moon 11 The Twilight Saga: Eclipse 12 The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn – Part 1 13 Marvel's The Avengers 14 The Hunger Games: Catching Fire 15 The Fault In Our Stars 16 Star Wars: The Force Awakens 17 Beauty and the Beast 18 Black Panther 19 Avengers: Endgame
I have the feeling most "risky" movies, for lack of a better word, have moved to streaming services.
Movie posters are a complex subject. Way more complex than they have any right to be.
Look at the poster for "The Towering Inferno". Steve McQueen's name is left-most while Paul Newman's name is the highest. William Holden is lower than both of them and to the right, lining up with McQueen's last name. And Faye Dunaway is about half an line lower than Holden's last name.
Then there's fights about how big someone's name/picture can be in relation to others.
Look at the live action Beauty and the Beast Poster. Emma Watson gets a lot of poster estate and first billing. Then it gets a bit crazy. Not to mention, how people are billed is a bit contentious as well. You'll notice that it's mostly a list of names except the final two. "with Ian McKellen and Emma Thompson". That's because being a special mention is worth something. It's a way to give prominence to non-leading actors who are significant in other ways.
The Thor movies do this with Anthony Hopkins. Clearly he's not the lead, but dude has had a career and he was a big get for the movies. For Ragnarok, they even toss it to Mark Ruffalo, probably as a way to acknowledge his part's significance in the film.
Spider-man: Homecoming is another interesting one to look at as well as it gives a lot of real estate to Robert Downey Jr. Tom Holland has a smaller picture than the Spider-man suit, while Robert Downey Jr. is much larger than the Iron Man suit. Michael Keaton also gets the double up, but both of his images are much smaller.
A lot of the Marvel posters are good to look at to see the politicking that goes on as they do a lot of ensemble movies.
And then there's also the fact that sometimes the pictures are made before the credits are put on it. So you're locked in an image but contracts dictate name order.
> but there's a lot of diminishing returns
Disney disagrees. Have a look at the box office of their live action remakes:
- Beauty and the Beast: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=beautyandthebeast2017.htm
- Aladdin: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=disneyfairytale22019.htm
- The Lion King: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=lionkingliveaction.htm
Why wouldn't they keep making the same movies over and over with billion dollar returns like that?
That's not true, but why let the facts get in the way?
6/10 highest-grossing movies last year were not comic book movies: Dunkirk - Original property Fast & Furious 8 - non-comic franchise based on original property Despicable Me - non-comic franchise based on original property It - remake Beauty and the Beast - remake Get Out - original property Star Wars Episode 8 - non-comic franchise based on original property
The most profitable movie of 2017, Get Out, was an original franchise. This follows on the heels of 2016s most profitable movie, Split, a sequel to an original property (The Sixth Sense/Unbreakable universe).
B Roll. This is the behind the scenes footage Hollywood studios provide. PR for a film. Usually spliced in when broadcasting a celebrity interview to give "atmosphere".
But I find the mega budget production aspects fascinating. Seeing the million dollar DaVinci Resolve boards. The robotic Oculus camera cranes. As well as the intricate stunt choreography and wire work for Guardians 2. The massive alien ship interior sets for Arrival. The ballroom in Beauty and the Beast.
Another recent good one: Murder on the Orient Express. Istanbul's Sirkeci Rail Station. And a snow bound cliff outside Vincovci. All recreated on London sound stages. And shot in vintage large format Panavision 65mm analog film cameras ;)
Behind The Scenes On Murder on the Orient Express
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH_R2OauWMk
This bit from the new Beauty And The Beast film sounds like Auto-Tune in a noticeable way to me: https://youtu.be/6tMoE8siNo8?t=166
I'll try to walk you through what I'm actually hearing that makes me think there's Auto-Tune there:
- 2:50: Subtle, but as the first "oh" starts, it sounds like it quickly jumps from a slightly lower note to the correct one.
- 2:58: The word "part" has a classic Auto-Tune sound. The real recording probably went slightly off pitch as the note was held and Auto-Tune has made it perfect and a little robotic.
- 3:07: "Where" has a similar sort of robotic pitch slide sound as it starts as the "oh" did earlier.
- 3:13: "Discover" has a sort of a glitch in the middle as Auto-Tune tries to track across the 'k' sound in the middle of the word.
As someone else already said, songs in TV show Glee used it all the time in a fairly obvious (but still subtle compared to intentionally sounding Auto-Tuned) way.
People forget that Disney owns a lot of must-see content:
For example, here is the list of top grossing movies of 2016 http://www.imdb.com/list/ls074920894/
Disney had the following films
1. Captain America: Civil War
2. Rogue One
3. Finding Dory
4. Zootopia
5. The Jungle Book
11. Doctor Strange
12. Moana
19. Alice Through the Looking Glass
For 2017 so far (http://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/domestic/all-movies/cumulative/released-in-2017)
Disney has
1. Beauty and the Beast
3. Guardians of the Galaxy V2
11. Pirates of the Caribbean
13. Cars 3
They own the Marvel franchise, the Star Wars, as well as some of the most loved children's movies in history. They also have a ton of children's TV programs.
If Disney really had a subscription service with all their movies and TV shows, I would choose them over Netflix.
OK? How is any of that stopping YOU from innovating?
And there are many different forms of innovation. For one, the technological innovation needed to bring the new Beauty and the Beast to the screen. You could also say the same thing about The Jungle Book from a year or two ago, yet the technological innovation to present the story in the way they did recently is miles away from what they had when they made the original animated film.
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Disney films are based on Joseph Campbell's comparative mythology. After the success of Lucas using one of Campbell's plots in A New Hope and Raiders of the Lost Arc, Disney decided to use this plot for all of their movies. [1] It isn't science, but it enormously compelling and effective.
Why wouldn't you want your daughter to be like Elsa? Of all the role models throughout history for little girls, Elsa is without doubt one of the best. It is only recently that women weren't portrayed a submissive needing to marry the right man to be successful. Or, Belle? Beauty and the Beast is story about the inventor's daughter, a bibliophile, who is isolated because she can't relate to her bland vanilla society that rejects intellectuals like Belle and her father. I wouldn't write off Disney so quickly. It's worth reading the Power of Myth, the transcript of the interview between Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell, because you might appreciate the thinking behind Disney movies. You will find that there are people in control at Disney who share your values.
I can't pass judgement on parenting. However, there is a big difference allowing children to watch a Disney movie once a month or even once a week and letting children watch television 4 hours a day after school.
[1] http://www.thewritersjourney.com/hero's_journey.htm
Disney took public domain stories, and made billions by creating their own versions, and now seek to prevent others from doing the same.
Well no. You could go out tomorrow and make your own movie of Snow white, or Beauty and the Beast or some other public domain story, and many people have. What Disney work so hard to do is prevent its particular versions of various from falling into the public domain. Now I think they're missing a trick insofar as they would still be able to sell Official Disney Versions even if their famous animated movies went into the public domain tomorrow, because they have the best marketing operation on the planet (so kids would demand 'the real one') and they could keep adding more content (eg additional 'making of' documentaries and so other extra features that serious fans of a film will pay to watch).
I'm in broad agreement with you, I just want to be clear that when Disney makes a film out of a folk tale or so it is not claiming property rights over the source material, just the firm's own rendering of it.